Climate Nazis

[RAENORTH]

Can I be the only one more than a little disturbed by the latest campaign to be fronted by energy company npower? Launched today with large colour ads in the Sundays, it appeals directly to children, urging them to enlist as "climate cops", to root out "climate crimes", and thus "save the planet".

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[jim greenhalf]

No one should be surprised by this turn of events. Totalitarianism always recruits children. In 1984 children are encouraged to join The Spies, a more vicious version of the cubs or scouts. In Pol Pot's Kampuchea, Year Zero began with children denouncing adults in middle class professions. In Mao Tse Tung's Cultural Revolution were not Red Guards vicious young ideologues whose pleasure it was to drive out intellectuals into the countryside to shift shit and plant rice? The worship of youth is always a big mistake.

[Mellow]

In a system which has echoes of Hitler's Deutsches Jungvolk movement, and the Communist regime Pioneers

No one should be surprised by this turn of events. Totalitarianism always recruits children. In 1984 children are encouraged to join The Spies, a more vicious version of the cubs or scouts. In Pol Pot's Kampuchea, Year Zero began with children denouncing adults in middle class professions. In Mao Tse Tung's Cultural Revolution were not Red Guards vicious young ideologues whose pleasure it was to drive out intellectuals into the countryside to shift shit and plant rice? The worship of youth is always a big mistake.

Pol Pot, Mao, Ho Cho Min and other totalitarian mass murderers are exactly what comes to mind.
The vicious human instinct to become part of and be subsumed by a totalitarian political ideology - whether it be islam, communism, national socialism or maoism - and to use that to turn against and ultimately murder those with whom you disagree is probably the most insidiously despicable of the negative human traits.

[bill-tb]

Brainwashing and Indoctrination works best on children in government schools. Old news.

[Peter]

"Then we can all march to the sunlit uplands of a "carbon-free" world – to the tune of Ode to Joy no doubt."

Sorry,the uplands are covered with windmills,you'll have to go somewhere else.

[Peter]

Actually,having thought about it,I think npower has done a Ratner on the product.Adults have the power to remove televisions and computer,rechargers and any electrical appliance from the brats,and they can shove the little bastards up chimneys again.

"Mummy,can Dwaynetta come for tea"?

"Do her parents use npower "?

[cause4concern]

Now, I do agree with much of what is posted on this forum; but I'm afraid comparing a cartoon ad campaign to stop wasting energy to Deutsches Jungvolk is a very silly thing to do...

Surely you must be more worried about an SAS soldier resigning from the army (first time this has EVER happened...), because he had serious concerns about the US troops referring to the Iraqis as Untermench...

..what with all the torture going on, this does not look good really...

Now, do you actually give a shit about that or are you too preoccupied with pretending you are being repressed by your children...?

Keep up the good work; but grow up a bit, please.

[Peter]

Good you can be so forensically on topic cause4

[John Archer]

Surely you must be more worried about an SAS soldier resigning from the army (first time this has EVER happened...), because he had serious concerns about the US troops referring to the Iraqis as Untermench...

Crikey. This doesn't look too good and it is very concerning.

But let me get this right. He resigned because some GIs used unpleasant (but possibly realistic) terminology about iraquis?

That sounds overly sensitive to me. Is that all there is to it?

[cause4concern]

He described it as 'institutional'. [spelt Untermenschen wrong in last post, apologies...)

The Americans had this catch-all approach to lifting suspects. The tactics were draconian and completely ineffective. The Americans were doing things like chucking farmers into Abu Ghraib or handing them over to the Iraqi authorities, knowing full well they were going to be tortured....

As far as the Americans were concerned, the Iraqi people were sub-human, untermenschen. You could almost split the Americans into two groups: ones who were complete crusaders, intent on killing Iraqis, and the others who were in Iraq because the Army was going to pay their college fees. They had no understanding or interest in the Arab culture. The Americans would talk to the Iraqis as if they were stupid and these weren't isolated cases, this was from the top down. There might be one or two enlightened officers who understood the situation a bit better but on the whole that was their general attitude. Their attitude fuelled the insurgency. I think the Iraqis detested them.

- Daily Telegraph

He realised the war was not about what he had been briefed upon...

[cause4concern]

...possibly realistic

Intrinsically?

Sending Untermenchen to be tortured, often for no apparent reason is not 'realistic' in any way, except tragically and to our shame, it is what we are advocating by fighting long side them...

We have killed the Euro oil market: now get out!

...before we so damage our credibility that there is no turning back.

[Craig]

http://yourblog.name/climaticearth

Please take a look at my blog regarding the Significant shift from our 11,500 year Inter Glacial Period to our shift now to an Ice Age. Its all going down hill.

[SandyRham]

Cause4, you bring up an important topic, but it isn't the topic of the post which I think you seriously underestimate. I'm sure MSM friendly copy like that got him a blow-job at every dinner table in Islington and obviously he isn't free to mention specifics (if he has specific allegations and the US JAG decided to sub-poena him to put up or shut up I'd support them).
Brainwashing of children is a dangerous subject since early held believes run deepest, ask a Jesuit! I find it interesting that this is a 'kiddies collect cards' campaign just as the radio announces a Midlands Police Force announces a similar idea (the "knife" card gets particular mention ).
Some thinktank has come with "How do we connect with kids?... We use... cards".
It is depressing to think how much this idea has cost the tax-payer, so far....
It is depressing to think how many morons now think they are 'connecting'.
It is depressing to think how many kids will be infected by the cult.

[Peter]

Really great Co4,you have done your anti=war spiel,but what about a commercial company inducing children to spy on their friends an families? Creepy no?

[RAENORTH]

Now, I do agree with much of what is posted on this forum; but I'm afraid comparing a cartoon ad campaign to stop wasting energy to Deutsches Jungvolk is a very silly thing to do...

I'm afraid you have rather missed the point.

Firstly, the designation of certain lawful actions - desirable or not - as "crimes" is an unwholesome distortion of our moral code. It confers moral equivalency between not turning off a light and, say, shoplifting or vandalism. It seeks to impose a moral judgement on a normal activity, blurring the line between something which is lawful and something which is not. This confusion, especially when children are the focus, cannot help define and communicate our moral code, with which many children have only a distressingly limited acquaintance.

Secondly, the recruitment of children to pass judgement on their parent's "crimes" is wholly malign, not least in undermining the authority of adults.

Third, in that the campaign seeks to align children with an external agency, which is setting the paramenters by which the children should judge their own parents and other adults, it creates an alternative authority which purports to be superior to that of the parents and other authority figures. That is confusing to the child, and also creates a potential area of friction ... what if the parents object to this overt attempt to undermine their authority?

Fourth, not only does the campaign encourage the child to believe it has the moral right to pass judgement on the behaviour of parents and other adults, it actively encourages the child to "enforce" that judgment, distorting the normal relationships between adults and children.

Fifth, by asking the child to record the "crimes", it undermines the bonds of loyalty which should exist between child and family. The children are being encouraged to put the notional and highly contentious objective of "saving the planet" above that of family cohesion and loyalty.

Sixth, it asks the child to make judgements which it is not qualified or equipped to make. How does the child know whether there is a good reason for leaving a light on in an unoccupied room? For instance, crime prevention authorities recommend leaving lights on randomly in different, unoccupied rooms, to deter burglars.

(And, by the way, the advice on not putting hot food into a freezer is unsound. Many food poisoning outbreaks are caused by slow cooling - leaving food out at ambient - to which effect, I and my specialist colleagues have gone into print actively recommending people to put hot meat joints and stews prepared in advance - for instance - in a freezer for half an hour before putting them in a fridge.)

Overall, the recruitment of children to pass judgement on "crimes" committed by adults - as defined by others - is exactly the technique employed by the likes of the Deutsches Jungvolk and the Pioneers. The comparison was not lightly made. That you completely fail to see the parallel - and your subsequent comments - speaks more about your judgement than mine.