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 Post subject: Telling it like it is
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:11 am 
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After a flat summer, Dellers has delivered a stonker, effectively calling for The Boy to go for an immediate general election. He (The Boy) won't, of course - he's far too wedded to the fruits of office to put those at risk.

With reference to this blog, some of our readers have taken exception to the belicose tone, only just stopping short of promoting physical violence against our rulers. But here, we have Dellers in a spoof letter from Cameron to Britain, telling us that, "if you realised just how totally stuffed we are you wouldn’t waste time getting to the end of this letter. You’d already be outside Number 10 with pitchforks demanding my head on a spike ... ".

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:27 am 

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Although this too may be considered OTT by some - it remains to be seen.
My reply to an American conservative friend in responsto Dellers.

"Don. This is being circulated on the Internet and will be of interest to those on the political 'Right' here in the UK, though not of course to the MSM or to DC. Delingpole is an intelligent and articulate political commenataor, but I suspect that the letter will fall on deaf ears, and it will be 'business as usual'.
I fear that the malaise which Dellers describes is, as we well know, only too true and accurate for we are now well into subservience to a Marxist/Socialist State which is dominant in all areas of our life.
The central question is, even at this late stage, can the situation be reversed? My belief is that it is impossible with:

A. Cameron in charge.
B. With our present sycophantic party political system.
C. Without first an immediate UDI from the EU. and
D. without another Churchillian type political leader emerging to draw the poison out of the British patient at present on life support.

Present indications are that none of these will take place to reverse the horror show that is modern Britain. IMO the result will be a near collapse into further economic, political and moral turmoil, with every prospect of serious civil unrest (repeat of the street riots in London and elsewhere).
Cameron is not a conviction politician (as was Thatcher) and does not have the moral, and need I say it, the spiritual capacity to understand what he needs to do. It simply is not there, and I do not believe he has the personal integrity or wit to rise above grubby party politics and to provide the sort of vision and leadership the crisis demands. His track record is appalling|.
In terms of State spending he is as profligate as in the current USA administration. For example, he still fails to act on Local Council Chiefs throughout the UK who are literally "looting" the public they profess to serve with many of them on salaries which are double or triple that of the PM himself and with massive similar staffs to continue their private fiefdoms. He fails to act on on the Billions we pay, directly and indirectly to the EU. He fails to arrest the £Billions spent on our military actions in Libya, and Afghanistan. Like Obarmy, he spends our money like water.

Whilst the "cuts" are necessary as far as they go, the real cuts needing to be made are in whole government departments - I would axe entirely Education, Environment, Agriculture, "Climate", Europe Minister and department, and severely prune all others to the bone, and most of all the Foreign & Commonwealth office.
Only then will people begin to believe that Cameron is man enough to reverse the current situation and serious enough to re-think the arrogant assumption that we live and move to serve the State.

Leaving the EU with immediate effect would of course be a vital move towards regaining our sanity - but once again, stupidity, political ambition, and ideological considerations on the part of our whole political class will ensure that this does not happen.

Dellers calls for an immediate 'General Election. But what would that do? Merely fire up the existing and failed party political system to a further frenzy of power politics, and personal aggrandisement and the liklihood of another stalemate and a re-constituted Coalition. (With the prospect of continued political instability and change of governments like France and Italy in the 50/60s)
With the very real prospect of certain further and global financial turmoil to come in the near future, if not catastrophe, and particularly in the USA, then it may be time for the government to consider all the options for declaring, albeit temporarily until real reform and stability is returned, a "state of emergency" and with all the powers needed to begin to reverse the current crisis on every side.
IMO departure from the EU is a vital, and urgent first step. This would be a political earthquake, but the economic returns would be immediate and massive - apart from the huge psychological boost to the collective British perception of a real change of direction on the part of our government to do anything about our dire situation.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:30 am 

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If Ole Cast-Iron had really written (and meant!) that letter, then I think an election might make some difference - since we would finally have a real electoral choice, with a chance that some politicians would FINALLY be putting our country first (as it happens, I believe that would also massively enhance Cameron, both as a politician and as a person, and would lead to a massive electoral majority). Of course, if there were to be an election somehow forced on ScamCam in the near future, the Dellers letter would have no bearing on the political offerings and the vultures would, regardless of the elctoral outcome, continue picking at, and searching out for the tastiest bits, from the dying, partially rotting body that was once Great Britain.

I don't know if the decay is so far gone that death and rebirth is the only option or whether, terminator-like, a bit of extra ooomph can be found to attack and destroy the vultures. I will probably be here watching the outcome as it slowly unfolds in either case - so, at least until the vultures get me, you should have at least that one putative reader!


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 Post subject: Re: Telling it like it is
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:34 am 
Delingpole is terrific. Where he's wrong is to blame the Lib Dhims for holding Dave back:

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And if you think the Conservative wets in my cabinet are a liability, imagine what it’s like having to govern with Liberal Democrats... That is why today I’m going to offer you a clear political choice. I’m scrapping the Coalition

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[Salvation will not] happen unless you ditch your coalition partners. The last thing a drowning man needs is a clutch of suicidal loons grabbing his legs and trying to pull him further under.

There is no coalition: Dave is indistinguishable from a Lib Dhim. (If there is a coalition, it's intra-Tory.) So, "governing" without the LDs would be the same as now. An election that Dave won would change nothing.

From May 2010 we get this:

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David Cameron used the coalition talks with Nick Clegg as an excuse to ditch ‘daft’ Tory policies he secretly wanted to get rid of all along - such as scrapping inheritance tax and getting rid of his pledge to rip up the Human Rights Act, it was claimed last night. The leader of Mr Clegg’s negotiating team, new Scottish Secretary Danny Alexander, said his Conservative counterparts, led by William Hague and George Osborne, produced a list of Mr Cameron’s manifesto pledges and invited the Lib Dems to strike them out. And Mr Cameron’s controversial policy guru Steve Hilton was reportedly delighted that the coalition had enabled Mr Cameron to ‘bury the Tory Right-wing’... The disclosure of just how easily – and willingly – the Conservatives surrendered key commitments to Mr Clegg threatens to spark a backlash against the shotgun wedding between the Tories and the Lib Dems.
A shocked Mr Alexander told Lib Dem MPs: ‘The Tories are ditching policies faster than they can list them. They pointed to them and said, “That can go, that can go.” We thought, “If they are offering up all this, is there anything they will not do?”’

Ditching the Lib Dhims will change nothing, except give Dave fewer opportunities to blame another party for his own EUthanasia and green bollocks.

Afterthought: by the time of the next election, the Conservative Party will not have won a general election for over 20 years.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/electio ... z1W2EnOJV0


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 Post subject: Re: Telling it like it is
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After a flat summer, Dellers has delivered a stonker, effectively calling for The Boy to go for an immediate general election. He (The Boy) won't, of course - he's far too wedded to the fruits of office to put those at risk.

With reference to this blog, some of our readers have taken exception to the belicose tone, only just stopping short of promoting physical violence against our rulers. But here, we have Dellers in a spoof letter from Cameron to Britain, telling us that, "if you realised just how totally stuffed we are you wouldn’t waste time getting to the end of this letter. You’d already be outside Number 10 with pitchforks demanding my head on a spike ... ".

View full article here

The last time things were this bad we ended up beheading Charles I. Pretty well everything was the same then in the looting of the public purse and the corruption of Parliament. Okay, there was no EU at the time: its previous equivalent had been the Papacy/Holy Roman Empire, and I seem to recall getting out of that lot required a certain amount of bloodshed.

And yet, if there were one leader of quality who could re-take the Tory party, it could still be managed with relative ease. Hitchens thinks the Tory party is beyond any kind of restoration, and he might be right, but it is very difficult to see any other way.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:50 am 

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One mega problem with an election is the likelihood of another period of socialist destruction. Still, if they were the outfit ejected physically, first, I would gain some pleasure from their showing the way to the gallows, whilst the other looters waited in line.
As awful as The Bolsheviks' vengeance was, as also was the retribution meted out post the French revolution, the deluded intransigence of the ruling, looting elite appears to have deserved the death of their innocents, as part of the cleansing of their nastiness and perceived superiority. Parallels so relevant today. PDT_Armataz_02_21


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 Post subject: Re: Telling it like it is
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So look at the deposing of James II in 1688.
That is how to deal with an elite that has lost it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:05 pm 
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I haven’t read Dellers’ bit & don’t think I shall bother…no matter what I read these days it only drives me deeper into the slough of despair & despond…even the daily cursory glance at Google News is an exercise in masochism, a vice to which I am unaddicted.
One snippet informs me that net immigration is up by over 20%,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/2 ... n-rises-21
despite all the ‘efforts & promises’ of our fuckawful excuse for a gumment…..but I ask you, in these miserable days, are we really surprised?
An election, whenever, isn’t going to solve any problems…we all know that, whatever the outcome, it will be even more of the same & the addition of even worse burdens to carry.
The corruption & downright robbery is mind-boggling in its magnitude; far overreaching the worst excesses of sub-Saharan Africa. At least in Africa they have a revolution when the populace thinks that one set of pigs have scoffed enough & that it’s someone else’s turn at the trough.
As has already been mentioned, there’s no sign of a ‘redeemer’ waiting in the wings. I see the only hope in spontaneous combustion, but it won’t be pretty. There is a very long list of people who face retribution & I hope it is lawfully & justly meted out to them.

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 Post subject: Re: Telling it like it is
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:15 pm 

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SandyRham wrote:
So look at the deposing of James II in 1688.
That is how to deal with an elite that has lost it.


I think the overthrow of Charles I is a better comparison but still not a very good one. I don't see the equivalent of the parliamentarians yet. There followed the Commonwealth under Cromwell, but it didn't survive Cromwell. Then came Charles II who was a pragmatist. James II attempted to wind back the clock to Charles I and before, Divine Right, Catholicism and all the rest. By then there was a paliamentarian faction which had tasted power and had had enough of state-religious tussles when a compromise solution had been reached with the CofE and had also seen enough of absolute monarchs to not want a repeat. Once again, I don't see what the organised faction is opposing the EU and the current muddle of similar parties we have in the UK and seriously threatening anything.

Note that we were a long way from outgrowing the idea of a monarchy of some sort. Cromwell became king in all but name. When he went the title passed to his son for a short time. Richard Cromwell didn't want it and didn't convince. We invited the Stuarts back. When James II overstepped the mark we invited William of Orange to take on the monarchy. When that petered out, we invited the Hanoverians to take it over.


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I think the overthrow of Charles I is a better comparison but still not a very good one. I don't see the equivalent of the parliamentarians yet.

Actually, my reference to the overthrow of Charles I was simply to highlight that the government that then existed (a preening monarch and a corrupt parliament) was not dissimilar to that which we now endure.

As I wrote:
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Pretty well everything was the same then in the looting of the public purse and the corruption of Parliament.

Currently I can see no equivalent of Cromwell's bunch.

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Shakassoc wrote:
comet wrote:
I think the overthrow of Charles I is a better comparison but still not a very good one. I don't see the equivalent of the parliamentarians yet.

Actually, my reference to the overthrow of Charles I was simply to highlight that the government that then existed (a preening monarch and a corrupt parliament) was not dissimilar to that which we now endure.

As I wrote:
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Pretty well everything was the same then in the looting of the public purse and the corruption of Parliament.

Currently I can see no equivalent of Cromwell's bunch.


The day of conventional war between developed nation states has come and gone ... why should civil war be immune to change? If we are looking to overthrow the existing order, we need perhaps to be looking for a new model. With an all-powerful state using our money to fight us, something very different is needed.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:26 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
The day of conventional war between developed nation states has come and gone ... why should civil war be immune to change? If we are looking to overthrow the existing order, we need perhaps to be looking for a new model. With an all-powerful state using our money to fight us, something very different is needed.


An asymmetric civil war using the strength of the state to the advantage of the citizen rather like judo. The bramblepatch that is the legal system should provide no end of opportunity for a committed lawyer to tangle up the government. Instead of complaining about laws like the Human Rights Act, the loyal opposition (loyal to the source of sovereignty, ie the people) should act as it wishes and use the HRA as a shield. Freedom of Information requests, writing to MPs etc could be used as a weapon of attrition. Non-violent civil disobedience on a mass scale could swamp the police, courts and prison systems. Refusing to pay taxes, rates and exhorbitant utility prices would only succeed if more than 100,000 people took part. Government would have to listen to our demands once its sanctions became meaningless.


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When is the nugfick damn gonna break?

I dunno about the Nuscummers, maybe: the Axis of Red Tory and Marxist yellow scum are worse!
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And..............

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Monday August 22,2011
Hard-pressed taxpayers are denied basic services

By Leo McKinstry

OUR politicians love to prattle about their commitment to fairness and equal opportunities in modern Britain.

Yet their rhetoric is never matched by reality. In truth, what we have in civic life is the grossest form of injustice. Those who work hard, pay their taxes and make sacrifices for their families are constantly punished by the Government. In contrast those who contribute nothing to our society, whether they be feckless single mothers, deadbeat dads, jobless immigrants or beer-swilling couch potatoes on incapacity benefit for “stress”, are lavishly rewarded by the state.


Suspend 'em, is that good enough? Or, should it be something far worse................... ?


All we hear from the media, is; Sally Jerkoff, Libya, Buying houses in NZ, and COOKING! PDT_Armataz_01_19

How about broiling, seething, festering and and and.......................... PDT_Armataz_01_35


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I appreciate the bellicose tone,it is nice to know i am not alone.


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Doyle wrote:
I appreciate the bellicose tone,it is nice to know i am not alone.


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