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 Post subject: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:02 pm 
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A useful paper has been produced by Leonard Weinstein, headed: "Disproving Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW)". Dr Weinstein worked 35 years at the NASA Langley Research Centre, finishing his career there as a Senior Research Scientist. He is currently a Senior Research Fellow at the National Institute of Aerospace and is now a critic of the anthropogenic theory of global warming.

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 Post subject: Re: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:00 pm 

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I work on the basis that any politician that espouses AGW etc, is an idiot. Because although they are only after the tax and the control that flows from AGW, to use such an obviously flawed arguement makes them idiots.


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 Post subject: Re: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:22 pm 
You only have to see which large corperations benefit from all this crap, then see which parties/politicians get "donations" to realize this is just economic fascism.

follow the money, it never fails.


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 Post subject: Re: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:01 pm 

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Any body or anybody who wants a glimpse of the trouble we are in, go to ....wattsupwiththat..... and see what the Americans [and the world] have got with the politician Senator Waxman a good English word [moron] does not describe him.
I an convinced that God has gone on holiday to leave such as he in charge of the ship?.

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 Post subject: Re: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:29 pm 
University of East Anglia's Mike Hulme on the Today programme this morning:

"Rather than thinking that climate change is the problem that we have to solve - as some commentators call it, 'The issue above all others, if we don't tackle climate change then almost we fail in everything else' - rather than put climate change in the spotlight we actually should use the idea of climate change as a way of tackling the whole catalogue of other local, regional, social, environmental and political concerns that we have. And then climate change can actually be a rather helpful device for us to use.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne ... 022297.stm

But that what it's always been about, Mike.


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 Post subject: Re: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:33 pm 
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How the Climate change scam works

Wind farms, carbon capture and electric vehicle schemes are a means for politicians to divert funds to their client companies in the renewable's industry (in the shape of subsidies), from where it is diverted back to the politicians by means of political donations.

Second only to MPs expenses it is corruption, pure and simple.
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 Post subject: Re: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:27 pm 
That conservative MEPs are suppporting the new EU climate plan is one of the tragedies of the age. Not only are the targets too high but the instruments to achieve them(proposed) are mind bogglingly complex or put another way, the govts have got their hands all over them. If something like William Nordhaus's optimal tax plan was introduced, we probably wouldn't even notice it. For example a $10 per ton carbon tax would only put about 2c onto a litre of fuel. It would have little or no impact on consumption in the near term and although it would rise to $200 per ton by 2100, emissions would likely only be reduced by 20% below 'business as usual' this century.
This is why the EU is mandating renewables along with high targets and the more it's policies are removed from the conventional economic remedy the less effective will it be a solving the actual problem or in advancing human welfare.


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 Post subject: Re: A shared agenda
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:58 pm 
Neil S wrote:
That conservative MEPs are suppporting the new EU climate plan is one of the tragedies of the age. Not only are the targets too high but the instruments to achieve them(proposed) are mind bogglingly complex or put another way, the govts have got their hands all over them. If something like William Nordhaus's optimal tax plan was introduced, we probably wouldn't even notice it. For example a $10 per ton carbon tax would only put about 2c onto a litre of fuel. It would have little or no impact on consumption in the near term and although it would rise to $200 per ton by 2100, emissions would likely only be reduced by 20% below 'business as usual' this century.
This is why the EU is mandating renewables along with high targets and the more it's policies are removed from the conventional economic remedy the less effective will it be a solving the actual problem or in advancing human welfare.

It's a tradgedy that any politicians, let alone conservative MEPs, have anything to do with this whole AGW nonsense.

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... solving the actual problem or in advancing human welfare.

That actual problem is that there isn't one, or rather the case has not been made for one, and that rabid secular-religious nutters are using this pseudo-problem of AGW to further their loony agendas. Any kind of economic remedy, conventional or otherwise, is no remedy at all.

The remedy is to get some sense into these idiots.


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