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 Post subject: A few thoughts / A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:17 am 
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A few thoughts on the Wheeler saga
The Conservative Party has every right to expel him. Well, it has every right to expel anyone, really and, generally speaking, funding another party and calling on voters to support it even in the less than important European election, is not tolerated by a political party. I have no problems with that.

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A man of principle

One of the comments on Tory Boy Blog that particularly struck a chord was one we ourselves have reflected. Simply, it said: "One of the (many) things that really annoys me about politicians is when they start telling me what I think, and what I am concerned about …".

That indeed is the issue with Cameron who, in the interests of party image, has determined that discussion of the European Union is "off limits" and that we must instead buy into his cuddly "social agenda" in order to win him the election.

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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:50 am 
I'm not up on the quality of the UKIP; but Wheeler did the right thing.

Often, Conservative spivs, thinking they are clever, adopt "liberal" or socialist agendas thinking that, if this is what got the left elected, it will get the conservatives elected.

In Canada, this has become known as the Joe Clarke fallacy. It actually got to the point where people had to stand up in party meetings and say "Joe Clarke, you are not a Conservative". In fact, he was just a Liberal in a blue suite.

Anyhoo (as Joe Clarke would say) what these brainiacs think is that, whilst the left can switch between further left or less far left parties, the Conservatives have nowhere to go. They forget that we can just stay home; which is what often happens in Canada. No Conservative wants to vote for Liberals, in Red or Blue suites.

The UKIP does provide another place to go for Conservatives, even if it is just a protest against their own party. The Camaroons might be feeling a chill on the back of their necks, that the vote might be split and The Brown sneak in, and, even worse, Cameronians will be OUT!


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:22 am 
Another phuckwit with more money than sense.

He should put it into the BNP and support his blood. And soil.

Stupid shit-for-brains ****.

I ******* hope I don't share any of his DNA.


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:39 am 

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Whom else can mr. Wheeler support? The BNP would have put undue pressure on him political and indeed otherwise. Since all he's making is a statement he should have limited his donation to 10.000 £ - but the money are his to spend, and presumably he can afford it.

As a forign observer of British politics I must say though, that David Cameron strikes me as remarkedly similar to Ted Heath - and indeed Tony Blair. All men who subjected any and all political convictions they may have had to political expediensy.

Anyone who thinks that the current Conservative party will be anything but a sligtly light blue version of the Labour party, or that the Labour party will be anything but a slightly pinkish version of the current conservative party are probably deluding themselves.

Any gains of the Tories in the EP elections will probably be used as a "vindication of David Camerons conservative policies" and used as a reason to stay in the EPP group. Losses will not bring about any policy changes.

What can you British do? Not much. The only thing that might have a small effect is to vote for an "anti establishment party".

Staying at home is no option - as your rulers love apathy - but to some extent still fear orderly dissent within the framework of the system. Probably more than they fear outright rioting and rebellion.

In continental Europe, my feeling is, that the sitiuation is a little different. In that the powers that be (rightly or wrongly) see electoral apaty as public withdrawal of the consent to be governed, so staying at home may be an effective course of action there

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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:45 am 
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The BNP will get my vote in the coming EU elections, not because I support them, because it is the only way to get my dissatisfaction about this country's membership of the EU noticed by the three main parties. Abstaining has no effect and neither does voting UKIP!


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:33 am 
Dear Mr Archer, perhaps he out his money where he believes it should go and not where you think it should go. Your beloved BNP will pick up the 'protest vote' as their predecessors the NF did in the 1970s. Their core vote is still the 'wogs out' brigade (and having read some of your posts before they were deleted or 'edited' as you were invited to do so) I believe you are firmly in that faction. That is up to you of course and if you wish to vote for a National Socialist party to replace a Socialist party, that is again of course up to you.

I accept anyone voting for and donating for who they wish and if you wanted to put £100,000 the BNP's way I would say its your dosh and you can spend it as you wish.

PS, I came to the conclusion that the BNP are a National Socialist party by reading their manifesto, before you resort to the usual retort that I am a left wing/liberal who gets their news and views from the BBC.


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:20 am 

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While twittering about the rise of the 'wog' consider also the decline of the indigene.
Our post-feminist educated white women have decided that the obligation to have babies is a part of the male domination of women, and only the most brutal sexist can point out that men can't have babies.

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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:51 am 
Pipesmoker has got it. vote BNP and if enough do it the parties will wake up screaming blue murder and even the lazy hacks might notice that someone out there is very cross.

Vote for UKIP and it will be a footnote at the bottom of column 94 and the hacks can regurgitate what they said last time.

Having said that I would not vote BNP in the General Election because (a) that would enable Brown to stay on which would be a terminal disaster; and (b) they're not very nice people,


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:03 pm 

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they're not very nice people,


And proud of it, their fatal flaw.

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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:17 pm 
Whatever happened to voting for what you believe in? I will vote UKIP because I believe their manifesto is right for the country. Why should I vote Tory just to keep Nu Labour out, as 'Dave' will simply be another EU sock puppet. That sid, If you believe in voting for a party that espouses the views that our fathers and grandfathers fought against (eg National Socialisim) then vote BNP.


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:19 pm 
Christina,

Why would you urge people to vote for a party you would (by your own admission) not vote for yourself?


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:34 pm 
John Archer wrote:
Another phuckwit with more money than sense.

He should put it into the BNP and support his blood. And soil.

Stupid shit-for-brains ****.

I ******* hope I don't share any of his DNA.


Perhaps he isn't a racist. Plenty of us aren't.


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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:50 pm 
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Cameron and his claque are playing a tactical game, tuning their campaign to catch voting segments that will assure him (he hopes) of a victory. If such games are acceptable for the pols, then they cannot object if voters do likewise.

In the euros, the most obvious thing to do is vote for whichever anti-EU party looks like winning one of more seats. In some regions - like the North West - BNP looks to be the front runner. In other regions - such as the South West - UKIP might be ahead.

The euro-vote is not a vote for a party. A vote for any party is meaningless. None can form a government and the "manifesto" is determined by the EU commission. Thus it is a vote against the established order, sending them a message of disapproval.

On a personal level, if Mr Cameron wants to tell me that "Europe" doesn't matter, and therefore is he not prepared even to acknowledge my concerns, much less address them, he can do without my vote - and much he cares! However, no one who calls himself a eurosceptic can possibly vote Tory at the euros ... and there are quite a lot of eurosceptics!

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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
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However, no one who calls himself a eurosceptic can possibly vote Tory at the euros ... and there are quite a lot of eurosceptics!


Hmm, if Daniel Hannan was unseated as a result of Tory-scepticism I wonder if he'd go cap in hand to Tory HQ, or whether he'd take a more Independent view??

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 Post subject: Re: A man of principle
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:22 pm 
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SandyRham wrote:
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However, no one who calls himself a eurosceptic can possibly vote Tory at the euros ... and there are quite a lot of eurosceptics!


Hmm, if Daniel Hannan was unseated as a result of Tory-scepticism I wonder if he'd go cap in hand to Tory HQ, or whether he'd take a more Independent view??


As regards Hannan, the list voting system means that you cannot vote for individuals, only parties. Vote Tory in the South East and you also get a bag of soft Cameronian europhiles. At least Hannan has a day job on the Daily Telegraph, and he's been in the EU parliament long enough to pick up a tasty pension, so he would not suffer any personal hardship if the Tories are ditched.

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