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 Post subject: A nice old dust up?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:32 am 
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On Thurday, German economy minister Michael Glos was expressing “serious
misgivings” about the EU’s emissions trading scheme, complaining that it could cost jobs if it went ahead in its current form. His own scientific advisory board is urging the repeal of strict limits for CO2 emissions, and easing of the system in order to stabilise the price of permits.

This may or may not be connected with an announcement yesterday that the German energy giant RWE has decided to build no more new power plants in western Europe, as the EU's emissions trading scheme has rendered new projects “unprofitable”.

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 Post subject: Re: A nice old dust up?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:24 am 
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...a dust-up which is potentially even more attractive than the one pictured.

You were saying......?

Oh, never mind. Got any more pictures?


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 Post subject: Re: A nice old dust up?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:53 am 

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Who, exactly, will stop the Germans from doing whatever they damn well please? Let's face it: the EU dictates terms to pretty much everyone in Europe, with one BIG exception. Without Germany, Europe is an economic disaster area. The EU is a little game the Germans allow to be played. Be clear, however, that the game is not to interfere with German prosperity, or the game will be up. Another reason why the EU really is a paper tiger. Too bad British pols don't understand this fact.


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 Post subject: Re: A nice old dust up?
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Somewhat OT, but the French press is reporting that Siemens is to sell its 34 percent stake in Areva NP. There is more to this than meets the eye, and more details will emerge next week, but it clear that Franco-German relations are in a bad way. Les Echos suggest that Siemens is to form an alliance with the Russian civil nuclear company Atomenergoprom, while Areva NP is to become a fully French concern. Severe indigestion in the belly of the beast?

http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2009/01/23/siemens-decide-de-rompre-son-alliance-avec-areva_1145579_3234.html


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 Post subject: Re: A nice old dust up?
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Might be time for another update. :) :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areva

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 Post subject: Re: A nice old dust up?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:58 am 
http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Cripes!


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 Post subject: Re: A nice old dust up?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:09 am 
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Bruno flake wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUSLM448772._CH_.2400

Cripes!


They have to be dreaming!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:46 pm 
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Les Echos suggest that Siemens is to form an alliance with the Russian civil nuclear company Atomenergoprom,

..............doubtless another Gazprom...bist Du anwesend, Gerhard?

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 Post subject: Re: A nice old dust up?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:01 pm 
"They have to be dreaming!"

They have to be f***ing insane !


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Reality collides with the green dream and reality wins.

It's one thing to pay a bit extra road fund tax to save the planet, when you're flush

It's quite another to sit shivering in the dark, and consoling yourself that it's for the good of the planet.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:23 pm 

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Bruno flake wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUSLM448772._CH_.2400

Cripes!

There are no rich countries left.....


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:44 pm 

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YOUR concept of nature is almost certainly going to influence whether you support the idea of a German ship dumping 20 tons of iron sulphate over 300 square kilometres of Southern Ocean to provoke a massive algal bloom for carbon sequestration.


http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/01/to-dump-iron-sulphate-in-the-southern-ocean-or-not/#comments

Hmm. I readily admit to being perplexed on this one, and would be pleased to hear the point of view of those more versed in Teutonic thought processes. Why the Southern Ocean? Is this the Green equivalent of nuclear testing in places as far away from home as possible? Where are you now Rainbow Warrior?


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