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 Post subject: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:30 am 
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There is only so much you can write on any subject before you start repeating yourself, to the point where you are boring both your readers and yourself. That may be a terrible indictment of the human condition but, as one views the latest Israeli attack on Gaza, the feeling of déjà vu and deadly ennui combines to make you want to turn away and write about something else.

A small cheer for the Scottish Sunday Herald therefore, which heads its leader with the title, "Toothless talk can't solve Israel conflict". It then goes on to note the "apparent impotence" of the so-called "international community" when faced with such a crisis.

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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:16 am 
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That suggests that we also need a new paradigm. Maybe it would be a good idea if we gave "national interest" another chance, allowing those involved to take whatever action they felt necessary, with the rest minding their own businesses.

As with Afghanistan, there are plenty of those who have opinions, but precious few who are prepared to put real resources into helping solve the problems. Thus, in a new world order, those who "do" should be allowed to do, and the rest – like the incessantly posturing EU – should simply shut up and keep out of it.

The result may be bloody, but is what we have really any better?


Would that we were even allowed to have a national interest...and had we one, we have absolutely no means of implementing it for we are also toothless...all extracted while we slept lest we damage the teat to which we are now irrevocably attached.
Those who have clout enough to project a national interest are not all white hat wearers & our hypothetical national interest would mean nothing to them, for we cannot bite any more.

When, a short while ago, I saw the (was it three?) survivors of WW1 being wheeled in front of the Cenotaph, my first thought was: What, in your hearts, are you chaps thinking?

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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:52 pm 
Deja vue repeated. Who thinks this picture (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 ... 6x260x.jpg) from the Biased Broadcasting Commission is photoshopped?


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:08 pm 
It is with extreme frustration that I read your comments Dr. North. We are being led by the nose by a "green" community that is driven by political expediency rather than scientific facts. When this same community faces hunger in the streets in the very near future, I wonder how they will blame you and others for not being green enough. Al Gore, Nobel prize winner, has used the psuedo science of global warming to not only win what is now a worthless prize, but to leverage the U.S. Democratic party to a political win. This will also be looked at very soon as an empty prize. Liberal politics have destroyed the economies of both Britain and the U.S.

Democracy may not survive.


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:21 am 
Money talks and bullshit walks.


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:23 pm 

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The Israeli / Islam conflict, I won't call it an Israeli / Palestinian conflict as that is just a load of old cobblers. Israel will be attacked until it is destroyed. It is a matter of pride for the Islamic world, that the hated and despised Jews as detailed in the Koran and tha ahadiths dare to govern themselves.

What is even more hurtful it that is makes such a success of it. This cannot be allowed to happen. No matter how much land they give back or how much they try to act with respect, the conflict will continue until Israel is destroyed.

What of the West? Our leaders know that Israel is used to whip the Muslim street into a frothing rage. They sort of hope that this shitty little country as described by one French UMP politican would disappear so that the Muslim street can become calm and they would no longer follow the extremists. But what next, Spain, Sicily? Are they that ignorant of history to realise that once Islam has laid claim to land it is their land and they see it as an injustice.

Israel needs to be supported, not left to be swallowed up, but our chattering class are a bunch of Jew hating fascists. I used to think that the term never again meant something, but not to our craven leaders. They either support Israel or they allow a second Shoah, it is as simple as that.

Another thing that gets me, our ruling class is wittering on again that Israel should use proportional force and not disportionate force. Well Hamas and co have deliberately targetted civillians. If Israel was being proportional then all bets would be off aka the effort to defeat Nazi Germany... Israel went for the security apparatus of Hama's. The civillians killed were conlateral damage, not deliberately targetted.

Finally the UN is coming under the control of the OIC. We have already seen their defamation on religion attack used to assault the fundaemental basis of freedom of speach. Without any doubt the UN is part of the problem. We need to create something like a League of Democracies, but one that is prepared to stand up for what it actually believes in...


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:08 pm 
As is usual whenever Israel takes action to protect itself, Pallywood Productions is working overtime and the west's MSM are collaborating. Is there to be an EUREf rebuttal exercise similar to that based on Mr 'Green Helmet'? I hope so!


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:25 pm 

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League of Democracies


Robert Mugabe was democratically elected, as were Stalin and Mao.

As we should have realized by now committing yourself to a larger organization pre-sells your capacity for action since you may be over-ruled into something against your traditional interests.
The UN and EU are excellent examples of what should be no more than talking shops to enable independent Nations to form their own alliances in response to the weirdities of reality. Instead our foreign policy response to Russian bullying is hijacked by the German necessity to appeasement.

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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:50 pm 
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Allan_Aberdeen wrote:
As is usual whenever Israel takes action to protect itself, Pallywood Productions is working overtime and the west's MSM are collaborating. Is there to be an EUREf rebuttal exercise similar to that based on Mr 'Green Helmet'? I hope so!


There is not much to say ... Hamas zaps Israel with mortars and rockets ... Israel responds ... duh! Answer to problem? 1. Hamas stops its aggression OR 2. Israel wipes out Hamas. 3. "International commnity" shuts up and lets Israel get on with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:27 pm 

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SandyRham, you are totally right, it should perhaps be an alliance of like minded democracies that are prepared to stand up for democracy and freedom of expression. Yes your so right about Germany, og dear what about our gas supplies...

Well they were sham elections, Mugabe because it was a tribal vote against a much smaller tribal opposition (Nkomo from memory), however we are getting there in terms of democracies in that only a certain type of politician seems to be selected, seems to be hard left and soft left, look at Sarkozy, he is a Socialist in action, he recently created a tax on investment income and rental income to pay for additional help to the low earners, well I cancelled building three houses in France after that, up yours Sarko!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:12 am 
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Merkel has slammed into Hamas. You might like to find someone else to keep blaming for our problems.


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk fukn jews
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:10 am 
Israel is sitting on stolen land they are jus t a pon of the united states and of the u.k Israel needs to be destoyed and the land given back to the rightful owners hammas and the people of palistine. ? If an outside power came and took a couple states of the u.s and gave it to those God damn Jews you best believe the u.s would be throwing bombs at those jews. Hitler should have killed them all if that did happen there would be no war in the middle east today death to israel

I am leaving this up, as an example of what we will not tolerate. It is interesting that the author is not only seriously deranged, but illiterate as well. Any further input of this nature will be deleted. Mod.

Read this: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:15 pm 
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Israel needs to be destoyed and the land given back to the rightful owners hammas and the people of palistine.

I'm not up on the history of the Jews but I understand they were originally just one set of semitic tribes of nomads among many in the middle east.

If the others now have designated homelands why shouldn't the Jews? They were settled and probably happy enough 2000 years ago until the Romans forced a diaspora on them. That was hardly their fault.

Rightful owners? Who are the rightful owners of anywhere in the middle east apart from the tribes/peoples occupying the area since prehistoric times? Those owners include the "God damn Jews".

They are entitled to the tiny strip of land they've got. It isn't much. Unlike others they lucked out on getting anywhere with shed loads of mineral wealth, so it's a cheap allocation.


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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:32 pm 
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Allan_Aberdeen wrote:
As is usual whenever Israel takes action to protect itself, Pallywood Productions is working overtime and the west's MSM are collaborating. Is there to be an EUREf rebuttal exercise similar to that based on Mr 'Green Helmet'? I hope so!


I'm watching it, but it is not having the same traction ... Green Helmet lives, and the US blogosphere - and the Israelis - are on to it. I do not believe the exclusion of journos from ~Gaza is accidental. We've done our work, and I would like to think that this is payback!

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 Post subject: Re: Toothless talk
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:07 pm 
I'm not sure if the 'noble' Norwegian doctor, Mads Gilbert might be worth a look.

None of the non-Norwegian news agencies have disclosed that he's a member and councillor for the Norwegian Revolutionary Socialist political party named "Rødt" which was formerly the Communist Workers Party.

In 2001 he stated in the national press that he supported those who carried out 9/11:
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Mads Gilbert: The attacks on New York came as no surprise taken the Western politics of the last decades into consideration. I'm upset over the terrorist attacks, but I'm as much upset over the suffering that USA have created. It's in this context 5000 dead people must be understood. If the United States government have a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, then the oppressed have an equal moral right to attack the USA with the weapons they may produce. Dead civilians, either american, iraqis or palestinians is the same.

Reporter: Do you support the 9/11 terrorist attacks?

Mads Gilbert: Terror is a bad weapon, but my answer is yes within the context mentioned.

Reporter: You do realize that your statements will cause reactions?

Mads Gilbert: Yes, I'm not expecting otherwise. The white world doesn't understand that it's possible to look at such an act from another perspective.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mads_Gilbert

Here is a link to the first interview he did with Al Jazeera on New Years Eve, shortly after entering Gaza from Rafah:

http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=11455

It seems that he has an uncanny grasp of the situation despite the fact that he could only have crossed the border a few hours earlier (especially his remarks about DIME ordnance).

As I posted in response to one particularly idiotic comment "As I said elsewhere, I have no problem with Mads Gilbert as a doctor, nor do I have a problem with his membership of Rødt. As for freedom of speech, no problem there either.

He has the right to say these things but the people listening to him also have the right to sufficient contextual information to understand if he's telling the truth or not.

I do have a big problem with him when he becomes the official mouthpiece of the Hamas propaganda machine whilst being simply described as "a Norwegian doctor" (with all the trustworthiness that people associate with both doctors and Norwegians).

Do you think he would get the same amount of creedence if he was described as "a Norwegian Left-Wing political activist"?

He's abusing his position as a doctor to influence people who have no real way of knowing what he's really up to and he's abusing the death and misery of Palestinian civilians to further his own political ends."


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