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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:39 pm 
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Two days in a row, we find ourselves in almost total agreement with a Daily Telegraph columnist. Yesterday, it was Heffer and today it is Iain Martin. The target of our approval today muses on the state into which the Conservative Party has descended, observing thus:

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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:06 pm 
Hi Richard;

Relating to the financial crisis and your demands for a good summary of it:

'The Bailout Reader'
http://mises.org/story/3128

Is quite good. Apologies if i've missed this in the other thread, I didn't have time to follow it in depth.

Regards etc.


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:40 pm 

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Energy prices have fallen apart in the spot mkts and even some retail mkts. I just paid 44 pence/litre for heating oil a near 30 % drop from my last buy at 65 pence.....but domestic electricity and gas are still at those record prices.

Everyone is stiffing us. The Co's, McBust and the EU.


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:30 pm 

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If I were Leader of the Conservatives (which, of course, I should be) I would always bear in mind two overarching precautions/rules when it comes to policies.

Rule 1. nulab will appropriate any ideas that strike a chord with the public (eg Inheritance Tax reform,tax on non-domiciles) and because of Rule 2, the Conservatives will never get credit for those stolen ideas.

Rule 2. The beeb will make every possible effort to sabotage Conservative proposals and personnel on behalf of their comrades in nulab.

Given these 2 realities I think the Conservatives are very wise to play their cards close to their chest. I realise that andrew neil (the ginger dwarf) will keep asking "Where are the policies?" but he's just trying to operate under Rule 2 and can be ignored.

As long as policies are produced in time for the Manifesto that's all that matters.

I think I would also issue a directive to all personnel being interviewed (particularly on the beeb) to challenge the overt socialism of the interviewer.


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:43 pm 

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gordon-bennett wrote:
If I were Leader of the Conservatives (which, of course, I should be) I would always bear in mind two overarching precautions/rules when it comes to policies.

Rule 1. nulab will appropriate any ideas that strike a chord with the public (eg Inheritance Tax reform,tax on non-domiciles) and because of Rule 2, the Conservatives will never get credit for those stolen ideas.

Rule 2. The beeb will make every possible effort to sabotage Conservative proposals and personnel on behalf of their comrades in nulab.

Given these 2 realities I think the Conservatives are very wise to play their cards close to their chest. I realise that andrew neil (the ginger dwarf) will keep asking "Where are the policies?" but he's just trying to operate under Rule 2 and can be ignored.

As long as policies are produced in time for the Manifesto that's all that matters.

I think I would also issue a directive to all personnel being interviewed (particularly on the beeb) to challenge the overt socialism of the interviewer.


Why is it so important about a few policies apporpiated, stolen borrowed or whatever you call it from the Tories to Labour ?
It`s because the Tories are not a serious force for good or evil in this country while they play at the political game but dont acknowledge the lack of real power they would have if elected in. That party only exists due to tribal loyalty and we would be better off rid of them.
"Where are the policies ?" They are in the Council of Ministers, the Commision and EUroparliament.


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:16 pm 

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What was very telling ystdy, was that Heseltine was wheeled out to deal with the Al-Beeb, which he did quite well.......but that also showed that everyone else was too scared or not allowed.

Forget ideas, they have to grow up first and become adults, which for most is impossible. Running scared of the closet Trots that infest the Al-Beeb, isn't impressing anyone, but as they are not prepared to deal in the truth about the EU either, being scared of the Al-Beeb makes sense, they are obviously frightened of their own shadows, especialy when nanny isn't around..


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:45 pm 

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From Nigel Farage's Blog

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No time for a novice Trade Commissioner

"Gordon Brown nominated Baroness Cathy Ashton to replace the now Lord Mandelson as Trade Commissioner. It is worth noting, at this point, that trade is 100% under the control of the EU – a situation to which I am totally opposed, because it works against our national interest – but that is how things stand.

A quick glance at Baroness Ashton's CV, therefore, did not give me any confidence that the right person had been put forward: a few years working for CND, and then for a couple of quangos, did not strike me as suitable qualifications. It was time to decide what to do.

Monday 20 October, and off to Strasbourg, with arguments organised: "At this critical time for global trade," I would say, "this is no time for a novice, and what we need is a big hitter."

I was not about to object to Baroness Ashton herself being the UK's next EU Commissioner, but wanted to point out the absurdity of her appointment to a role for which she is quite simply unqualified.

At the hearing I praised her political skills in getting the Lisbon Treaty through the Lords without a referendum – by pretending that it was not the EU constitution in disguise – and this was met with loud cheers from the rabid federalists all round me. Then I launched into the bit about novices and big hitters.

Baroness Ashton looked less than happy about being called "a novice" and countered by saying that she was a "good negotiator".

Throughout the entire three-hour hearing, no other member, apart from Syed Kamall, asked an even remotely searching question.

So now we have a new EU Trade Commissioner who is entirely the wrong person for the job – and I shan't be on her Christmas card list!"


I may have missed it but I haven't seen this appointment reported in the press or on TV, perhaps she isn't famous enough!


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:23 pm 

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perhaps she isn't famous enough!


I love Huntsman's phrase 'risen without trace'.

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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:08 pm 
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It has been reported, but the MSM was largely too busy with Mandelson, Osborne, etc. The Today programme ran a piece this morning - too boring to report. It is all a fuss about nothing anyway .. Doha is dead and buried, with the global financial crisis, no one is going to be interested in world trade talks ... too busy with survival. Absolutely nothing is going to happen, and her Ladyship's tenure expires next year anyway, when the new commission is appointed. She is nothing but a temporary placeholder.

Still, it keeps Farage off the streets, and saves him having to do anything useful.

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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:40 am 
Richard, you are quite right to say "Energy costs are also inflated by the government's "Carbon emission reduction target" (CERT), the EU's emission trading scheme, the Renewables Obligation and, of course, VAT."

I watched Channel 4's Dispatches programme on Monday, which was entitled "The Truth About Your Energy Bill". I expected these unnecessary "global warming" taxes to get at least a mention, but there was nothing.

They banged on quite a bit about shareholders dividends costing us all £75 each, without explaining that we will get this back as most of the shareholders are ourselves (in the form of our pension funds). But the fact that we are all paying more than £75 each already in EU-sponsored global warming scams wasn't covered at all.


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:24 pm 

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I heard Nigel Farage on the radio and he almost legitamised the EU and the positions of its functionaries.


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:18 pm 
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Robin wrote:
I heard Nigel Farage on the radio and he almost legitamised the EU and the positions of its functionaries.


You need to read this ... Selznick on "self-maintenance". UKIP has got the disease. It is no longer a functioning, eurosceptic party.

http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewconten ... ngjoon_cho

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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:08 pm 
Much of the problem is the format, no enough time for serious issues and no censure for obfuscation or a refusal to answer questions (what Brown was doing today as usual). The planted backbench Labour questions are tedious beyond belief.


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 Post subject: Re: This is not a game
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:12 pm 

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A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on the M1 motorway. Nothing is moving. Suddenly a man knocks on the window. The driver rolls down his window and asks, 'What's going on?'

The man replies, 'Terrorists have kidnapped the government members. They're asking for a £300 million ransom, otherwise they're going to douse them with petrol and set them on fire. We're going from car to car, taking up an emergency collection.'

The driver asks, 'How much is everyone giving?'.

The man replies, 'Well it’s not going too well because of the credit crunch and high duty , but most people have managed to give a litre or more.'

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:20 pm 
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swindon_alan wrote:
A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on the M1 motorway. Nothing is moving. Suddenly a man knocks on the window. The driver rolls down his window and asks, 'What's going on?'

The man replies, 'Terrorists have kidnapped the government members. They're asking for a £300 million ransom, otherwise they're going to douse them with petrol and set them on fire. We're going from car to car, taking up an emergency collection.'

The driver asks, 'How much is everyone giving?'.

The man replies, 'Well it’s not going too well because of the credit crunch and high duty , but most people have managed to give a litre or more.'


Gallon! ... they donate gallons, not bloody litres! Let them burn in Imperial. From me, they can have a whole bushel.

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