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 Post subject: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:25 pm 
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Booker goes to town today on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), charting the intellectual and political corruption behind what must the biggest (and most expensive) scam in the history of the planet.

What is doubly interesting is the way the politicians have bought into the scam, distancing themselves from the bulk of the population. To judge from the comments on the Telegraph website – which are almost entirely supportive - people are growing increasingly sceptic and weary of the preaching of our rulers, as they come up with even madder ideas to "save the planet".

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I appreciate all the noise you make here at the EU Referendum-Umbrella Blog. Keep it up for as long as you can stand it, please.

I don't know of any way to fight this fight except at the ballot box...local elections on up. In fact, the local elections may be the best place to begin pulling weeds. Any politician brave enough to even utter the words "climate change" looses my vote.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:06 pm 
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Some of us have been banging on about this for years. It's good to see Booker laying into these evil, self-serving charlatans in the MSM.

As I have been writing for the last three and a half years, this whole AGW thing is absolute rubbish.

God, but I love being right...

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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:07 pm 

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No more so is this apparent than in the energy field where, instead of addressing the complex but technically solvable problems of providing cheap electricity for the masses, policy is totally bogged down by the fantasy of providing for a "carbon-free" future.

Given that, on the molecular level, life on Earth is carbon chemistry, "carbon-free" future sounds rather ominous...


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:17 pm 
Booker has not chosen a good moment to go over this argument again given that arctic ice is again approaching its record minimum (as discussed elsewhere on this forum).


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:32 pm 
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Booker has not chosen a good moment to go over this argument again given that arctic ice is again approaching its record minimum (as discussed elsewhere on this forum).


Good a time as any ... there is never a truly good or bad time for the truth.

As regards the Actic ice, this is going to get very interesting. The "warmists" will insist that this is an example of global warming, determined to exploit any phenomenon which will help their religion gain ground. Since it has nothing to do with it, and is undoubtedly cyclical, in due course the worm (or ice) will turn. Then we can have great fun feeding their words back to them.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:39 pm 

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arctic ice is again approaching its record minimum


Yeah, but the records go back for a mere 29 years, and we know anecdotally of other times when the ice extent was low but unquantified. The range of climate variation which can be attributed to totally natural cycles is far larger than anything we can tie to human influence. The point is not that the warmists are bound to be wrong, it's that they ought to be required to show that they are right if they want us to submit to their regressive agenda, rather than waving the precautionary principle in our faces. I don't think we should adopt the precautionary principle, it's too risky.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:18 pm 
This my be cyclical and not evidence of AGW, but it's mighty convenient for the warmist position it has to be said.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:23 pm 
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This my be cyclical and not evidence of AGW, but it's mighty convenient for the warmist position it has to be said.


'Tis indeed ... we are going to have to put up with this for some time - but then they do say that revenge is a dish best savoured cold ... rather appropriate really.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:36 pm 

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Carbon entry currently on Wikipedia:

"Carbon forms more compounds than any other element, with almost ten million pure organic compounds described to date, which in turn are a tiny fraction of such compounds that are theoretically possible under standard conditions.

Carbon is the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. It is present in all known lifeforms, and in the human body, carbon is the second most abundant element by mass (about 18.5%) after oxygen."

What is this "carbon free" future? It sounds completely insane. The 4th most abundant element in the universe and the basis of life itself!!!


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:09 pm 
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What is this "carbon free" future? It sounds completely insane. The 4th most abundant element in the universe and the basis of life itself!!!


It really is one of the most remarkable coups of the warmists that they have been able to demonise "carbon" in the way they have. Next thing, they will be after water! These people are utterly insane - but a sort of focused insanity that makes them really dangerous.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:15 pm 
The only "life form" that would benefit from demise of carbon based life forms is silicon based "life forms". Perhaps we are seeing another Colossus- the Forbin Project

"Booker has not chosen a good moment to go over this argument again given that arctic ice is again approaching its record minimum (as discussed elsewhere on this forum)."

Interesting that civilisation only appeared in the west because the ice receded.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:42 am 
If Diplomacy is War fought by other methods, then Extremist Greenism is Totalitarianism fought as a religion. Their reign will be short however, as the onset of another "Minimum" will offer countless opportunities to expose these watermelons who are activist green on the outside and fanatical blood red inside.

By expose, I mean encourage them to do the right thing as their atonement for being so wrong. Survival custom: Eskimos didn’t push Grandma out on the ice floe to freeze when she was too old to sew. Eskimos valued elders for their wisdom, knowledge of taboos and customs, and ability to tell a good story. It is true, however, when a family was literally starving, an elder might decide to wander out in a storm so the others could live. But all believed her soul would return when the next baby was born. She hadn’t really died—just moved on. http://www.wonderquest.com/april-writer/ch10-people.htm


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
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An excellent article by Booker but surely the ups and downs in global mean temperature and climate change of the last few thousand years are mere perturbations in trends that take place naturally over geological time, variations in the sun's strength, the Earth's orbit around and inclination to the sun, ocean currents, volcanic eruptions, impacts from outer space, movements of the Earth's land masses and so on?

Politicians and many in the world's populations are going mad and I postulate that has more to do with the increase and density of people on Earth than anything else. It's the new religion? A cull? In time that will probably happen quite naturally!


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 Post subject: Re: A huge diversion of resources
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The whole Green agenda is just too tempting for Politicians to not latch onto. It gives them a chance to be holier than thou, order us around even more, but above all shame us into paying more tax, than we need to, which they can then squander on pet projects and to line their own pockets.

To anyone questioning the Agenda, they can use the classic have you stopped beating your wife type arguement, by acuseing the questioner of not careing about the future children or planet, so to them it is a win win situation. The entire Mellon edifice was also constructed during a time of very large wealth generation,mainly thanks to house prices explodeing in value, which although it made many people feel great, they also knew that it was probably far too easy, so paying out a bit more to save the Planet, provided a balm of sorts.

Now times have changed, it surely is not a co-incidence that public opinion is becoming less and less green .


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