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 Post subject: Greenspin / propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:14 pm 
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Propaganda ...

There was much twittering in the warmist dovecotes yesterday, typified by a piece in the (not) Science Daily which reported breathlessly that an aerial survey by government scientists in Alaska's Chukchi Sea had "recently found at least nine polar bears swimming in open water – with one at least 60 miles from shore". This, inevitably, was cited as "raising concern among wildlife experts about their survival."

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 Post subject: Re: The propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:34 pm 

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I am getting sick to the back teeth of this inane nonsense. These people know the sea ice has not fully melted this year despite the scare stories about what this would mean. These people know there has been no warming since 1997/8 and that we are in a cooling phase. These people know polar bears are at record numbers and competing for territory and food.

But they continue to speculate about ludicrous extrapolations of fragments of unscientific data to further a political agenda. This despite all evidence showing the opposite to what they are claiming is currently what we are experiencing. It is the desperation to convince people that cold is warm and getting cooler means warming is getting worse. They will say anything rather than accept they may have got it wrong.

Soon we will have IPCC rebuttal Q&A lists. Maybe they will include things like...

"Failed to predict a cooling period in your hockey stick? Easy. Claim it is a temporary blip then claim, laughably, to know what will happen 20 years hence even when you could not see what would happen five years on from your prediction."

It makes me furious.


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 Post subject: Re: The propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:30 pm 
Polars Bears have evolved for swimming


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C. Thermoregulation.

1. Body temperature, which is normally 37C (98.6F), is maintained through a thick layer of fur, a tough hide, and an insulating layer of blubber. This excellent insulation keeps a polar bear warm even when air temperatures drop to -37C (-34F) (Stirling, 1988).

2. Overheating.

a. Polar bears are so well insulated they tend to overheat.

b. Polar bears move slowly and rest often to avoid overheating.

c. Excess heat is released from the body through areas where fur is absent or blood vessels are close to the skin. These areas include the muzzle, nose, ears, footpads, inner thighs, and shoulders.

d. Polar bears will also swim to cool down on warm days or after physical activity.

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 Post subject: Re: The propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:03 pm 

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Richard,

The swimming polar bears remind me about the missing sea elephants off the cost of California. Some 15 years ago or so, there was an alarm. Someone or something had eradicated 90% of the local sea elephant population. A census of the sea elephants had been carried out using seaplanes to track the seals at sea, and only 10% of the expected number was found. However, the sea elephants were all there. They were just doing what comes naturally to them: diving. But at the time no one knew that these fantastic mammals spend some 90% of the time below the sea surface - sometimes at depth well below 700 msw.

About the polar ice: Don't worry Richard, the catastrophe will come, it is just slightly delayed.

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No matter where we stand at the end of the melt season it's just reinforcing this notion that Arctic ice is in its death spiral," said Mark Serreze, a scientist at the center. The Arctic could be free of summer ice by 2030, Serreze said by telephone.


Actually, I'm not sure the melt season is over. (See here at www.climateaudit.org), but unfortunately we will now have to wait until well into the third decade of this century before we can paddle our canoes across the North Pole. Sigh....

PS: Note that the posters at Climateaudit are discussing both ice-area and ice-extent. The extent has declined recently, but the area has remained stable for the last couple of days.


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 Post subject: Re: The propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:45 pm 
Richard,

Where I live in Iceland, Polar bears are non indigenous although on occasions some do swim over from Greenland. They usually make landfall in the north of Iceland where they usually get on the wrong side of a sheep farmers gun. Two bears made the crossing earlier this year and it’s been going on a regular basis for hundreds of years.

The two Bears this year looked like they were in good condition (albeit a little skinny), which is impressive considering they had swam at least 200 miles.

Its quite clear Bears are very good swimmers and its angers me that Greenies try to link this obvious natural behaviour to support there own screwed up agenda of impending doom.


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 Post subject: Re: The propaganda marches on
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Its quite clear Bears are very good swimmers and its angers me that Greenies try to link this obvious natural behaviour to support there own screwed up agenda of impending doom.


Like all bears they are inquisative, so they photograph well and due to being white, they appear "pure", untouched by horrible humans etc......so they are an ideal candidate, to be a poster animal for AGW and as usual the Mellons have just made the rest up....the fact that what the bear is really thinking, when being photographed, is not will I look good in this pose, but which piece of the photographer will taste best and why are all these naturalists/greenies so bloody skinny, is never allowed to enter the AGW fantasy.


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 Post subject: Re: The propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:55 am 

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The Green Shirts really should make up their tiny minds

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York: "To find so many polar bears at sea at one time is extremely worrisome because it could be an indication that as the sea ice on which they live and hunt continues to melt, many more bears may be out there facing similar risk."


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"In addition, Miller tells us, more bears have been sighted on land in July and August than in the past — a possible result of the retreating of the sea ice."


So when bears are spotted on the ice this indicates the ice is "retreating." And when bears are spotted at sea, this also indicates the ice is "retreating."

There you have the perfect example of Green Doublespeak. Greenspeak.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenspin / propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:31 pm 

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My comment to the Mail has not appeared either. If it does not fit the narrative then it is ignored.

Then these is this peach of a piece on the BBC (naturally) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7588377.stm where a guy who swam at the North Pole plans to kayak there.

As long as he is happy to get in any out of his canoe and carry it across large tracts of unmelted ice he should be fine. I wonder if anyone asked him what "window" he had to paddle up there before the ice thickens up again as winter draws in?


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 Post subject: Re: Greenspin / propaganda marches on
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For some strange, unexplained reason, warmie journalists never mention the population explosion among polar bears. From 5,000 to 25,000 isn't bad at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenspin / propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:50 pm 

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Are we sure that the bears haven't worked out just how dumb these Mellons are and are playing at looking desperate, so that some clown will try and rescue them and then they have a good chance of eating a few Mellons.

Then again, the bears will only do that a few times, as it is certain the rescuer Mellons will be extreme vegans, taste revolting and cause the most awful flatulence.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenspin / propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:26 pm 

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However, some scepticism is starting to creep in:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/150436/a ... =nl_dnxnws

This from the magazine that has unequivocally and uncritically followed the green agenda. This is the first article I've noticed with the word "cynicism" in it.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenspin / propaganda marches on
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:03 pm 
What exactly is the polar bear standing on? Given the displacement of bodies in water,that bear is standing too high.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenspin / propaganda marches on
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Peter wrote:
What exactly is the polar bear standing on? Given the displacement of bodies in water,that bear is standing too high.


You know, I think you may have something there. Also, does that wave pattern look a bit odd?

Then there is the question of distance. Supposedly, that photograph was taken at an altitude of 1,200 feet. There does not seem to be the characteristic flattening out that a tele-photo lens would give you. Looks to me like that was taken fairly close up.

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That's taken from a helicopter (wave pattern) at about 30ft up.

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