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 Post subject: The inflow continues
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:55 pm 
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Although – or so we are told – the wave of immigrants from the EU's central and eastern European members to the UK has slowed, there has been no has been no slackening off in the rate of migrants from third world countries into other EU member states.

Reported by AFP, nearly 900 such immigrants have arrived on Italian shores in the last two days. The coastguard rescued some 480 people on Friday after they were spotted near the island of Lampedusa, a speck of land 100 nautical miles from Tunisia and 200 miles from Libya, the embarkation point for most of the boat people.

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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:05 am 
Stories like this make me wonder if perhaps, countries are doing it wrong. Like 'Identification and Expulsion' is going to cost money, and these immigrants, they're quite determined people, maybe with useful skills which could be put to use in the countries they want to live in.

The countries just need to find out what these skills are, put them to work with these skills and tax them just a little bit more than the rest of the population, and then maybe just a little bit of a tax break if they integrate themselves into the country, like learn the language, play by the rules. Make it easy to play by the rules and contribute to the country.


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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:44 am 
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Maybe the coming recession and unemployment will wake up Britons to the state of their country. When young people can't get jobs and we have all the Polish plumbers, maybe a really ugly nationalist upsurge will drive the foreign rule and foreigners out.


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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
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It would be a shame for it to come to that; but it will become increasingly likely if the problem is tackled so flippantly by the EU. In a democracy you cannot have areas of policy that are not allowed even to be discussed. Lack of democracy breeds discontent.


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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:59 pm 
manc_ill_kid wrote:
Stories like this make me wonder if perhaps, countries are doing it wrong. Like 'Identification and Expulsion' is going to cost money, and these immigrants, they're quite determined people, maybe with useful skills which could be put to use in the countries they want to live in.

The countries just need to find out what these skills are, put them to work with these skills and tax them just a little bit more than the rest of the population, and then maybe just a little bit of a tax break if they integrate themselves into the country, like learn the language, play by the rules. Make it easy to play by the rules and contribute to the country.


Guarding your borders will cost money, like guarding anything you hold dear. If our immigration service,senior mandarins at the Home Office and politicians were as equally determined then the problem would be solved.
They may have useful skills, most probably they will not. Basically,we dont need them.
Why should anyone who knows the language of the country they are in, and play by the rules(?) be given a tax break. That should apply to nearly everyone 99% .So it means it wont be a tax break but the normal tax threshold.
How would what you advocate lessen the amount of illegals coming here?


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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:38 am 
Once upon a time, approx 1500 years ago.. Vortigen thought those nice Anglo-Saxons had some pretty useful skills, and he was right! and thats why their ancestor's have ruled Britain for most of the last 1500 years and not his.

(yes, I know the Normans etc, but they were small in numbers by comparison)


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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:43 am 
actually I ment England not Britain, but either way, it was the majority of the territory previously inhabited by Vortigen's people.


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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
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Vortigen thought those nice Anglo-Saxons had some pretty useful skills,

Wasn't he the one who welshed on his contract?

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 Post subject: Re: The inflow continues
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:03 pm 
manc_ill_kid wrote:
Stories like this make me wonder if perhaps, countries are doing it wrong. Like 'Identification and Expulsion' is going to cost money, and these immigrants, they're quite determined people, maybe with useful skills which could be put to use in the countries they want to live in.

The countries just need to find out what these skills are, put them to work with these skills and tax them just a little bit more than the rest of the population, and then maybe just a little bit of a tax break if they integrate themselves into the country, like learn the language, play by the rules. Make it easy to play by the rules and contribute to the country.

Are you serious ? I know immigrants who have no skills what so ever - apart from claiming benefits.

Although in July 2005 some Islamic immigrants explained the true meaning of Islam to us :(


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