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 Post subject: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:38 am 
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We never, ever thought we would find ourselves in agreement with an EU commissioner, much less Peter Mandelson. But his view on the failure of the Doha round talks, expressed in an opinion piece in The Daily Telegraph today, is unarguable ...

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Try looking in the mirror

Six columns of the front page on "Labour at war"; reports on pages 2 and 3; Mary Riddell takes up the op-ed and the lead editorial opines at length.

In this, the paper has the nerve to say: "The electorate will, rightly, look on with disgust at such self-obsession…".

Has The Daily Telegraph editorial team looked in the mirror recently?

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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:57 pm 
"Unable to cope with the complexities of the modern world, and their own impotence – having handed on their powers to the EU and other tranzie bodies, and to the quangos at the other level – they fill their time with inane prattle, to fill the void of their own making."

Yay! ANother catty attack on a rival blogger!!

Stick it to Guido as well cos Paul Staine hes a twat!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:59 pm 
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"Unable to cope with the complexities of the modern world, and their own impotence – having handed on their powers to the EU and other tranzie bodies, and to the quangos at the other level – they fill their time with inane prattle, to fill the void of their own making."

Yay! ANother catty attack on a rival blogger!!

Stick it to Guido as well cos Paul Staine hes a twat!!!


Rival?

More to the point, the failure of the British political blogosphere to lift its eyes beyond the narrow horizon of its own navel is an issue of considerable concern. While the US blogosphere, in parts, is addressing hard-edged political issues, ours seems to be intent on emulating the very worst of the gossip columnists.

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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:42 pm 
A rival in terms of audience. Because Iain Dale and Paul Staine are purveyors of false consciousness and distracting us from our true interests.

Never forget the jokers and poets where the greatest enemies of Socrates


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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
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A rival in terms of audience. Because Iain Dale and Paul Staine are purveyors of false consciousness and distracting us from our true interests.

Never forget the jokers and poets where the greatest enemies of Socrates


I get the feeling we address very different audiences, with very little cross-over. To that extent, the problem is as much with the readers as the blogs. There is an appetite for mindless gossip and those that pander to that audience get their attention. We are not part of that "guilded circle". Here, at times, up to 60 percent of our readers come from the United States - where there are still some grown-ups left.

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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
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You can also argue that the concentration on McStalin's so very justified travails, maintains the charade that we are self governed and that Westminster still has power. For were this same situation to be occuring before we signed away most of our power, it would be a big deal to have a PM fall.

Also the MSM is just as complicit, as the big nationals don't want to admit they are now just the equivalent of a local paper, such as the Stratford Herald and the Al-Beeb reduced to radio Oxford.


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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
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You can also argue that the concentration on McStalin's so very justified travails, maintains the charade that we are self governed and that Westminster still has power. For were this same situation to be occuring before we signed away most of our power, it would be a big deal to have a PM fall.

Also the MSM is just as complicit, as the big nationals don't want to admit they are now just the equivalent of a local paper, such as the Stratford Herald and the Al-Beeb reduced to radio Oxford.


I think there is a great deal in that. They are behaving in the fashion of local newspapers - they concentrate on the activities of local policians, oblivous to the great events that surround them. By fishing in a small pool, they magnify their own importance.

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"Here, at times, up to 60 percent of our readers come from the United States - where there are still some grown-ups left."

NAU? Do you think it could be coming?


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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
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I thought my above comments concerning Mandy were quite accurate...

Getting back to the flow for a second: at least the radio Oxford covers issues that matter to the people of Oxford...

NAU is here...


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 Post subject: Re: Prattling while Rome burns / looking in the mirror
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:06 pm 
On the subject of prattling with which Richard concluded his blog...

In the mid-1980s when Michael Heseltine was at odds with Margaret Thatcher and most of the Cabinet on the subject of Westland Helicopters two things were evident: people were fascinated by the power struggle seemingly going on and they had a fair idea of what the row was about. I remember standing on the terrace of a football stadium with an acquaintence having a most intense discussion about the politics of helicopter procurement. Of course I have forgotten all the details by now.

But like the miners' strike and the persecution of Greater Manchester police chief John Stalker, whose investigation into Britain's alleged shoot-to-kill policy in Northern Ireland got too near the truth, serious political issues were debated with a great deal of energy and passion. In those pre-Maastricht days politics meant more than fiddling inconsequentially; politics meant the power to make life-changing decisions. Joe Public was not indifferent to serious subject matter in spite of Tony Benn's frequent objection that "it's policies that matter, not personalities." Personalities do matter because they often have a shaping influence on policy.

But times have changed. If what Richard says about drugs, climate change, energy and Zimbabwe is true, then the power to make political decisions that radically shape the future has been ceded by Westminster to Brussels. The invisible men of the Commission speak for us, true to Europe's long history of centralisation that Britain was always careful to remain outside. The only way that we, Brown's hapless islanders, can extricate ourselves from this bureacratic nightmare is to repeal the European Communities Act. We cannot have a referendum on Lisbon because this Prime Minister, like his predecessor Edward Heath, has sold us down the river on the QT.

Nevertheless, if we harbour any hope of liberating Britannia from being Europe's slave and once again becoming Europe's flexible friend, then we have got to make the European Communities Act an issue. What Harriet Harman is pleased to refer to as "being at the heart of Europe" is like a sick man gasping for air, hoping for a transplant.


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