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 Post subject: Raiding the public purse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:11 pm 
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Strangely enough, it came up first on India Times and has since been picked up the The Daily Telegraph which, unlike the former, does not acknowledge the source - The Daily Mirror (no link).

Whatever the source, the information is the same: “Britain's defence bosses splashed out £730 million on meals, hotels and taxis, more than twice the bill for troop vehicles. While civil servants lived high on the hog using first and business class airlines, only £330 was spent on defence vehicles, figures gained by the Mirror reveal.

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 Post subject: Re: Raiding the public purse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:10 pm 

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You've only got to see what the Wintertons are doing, seemingly without censure let alone sacking, to see just how bad it has become.....Living high on the hog at the taxpayers expense, has become a way of life.....it's up to the voters to sort 'em out.


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 Post subject: Re: Raiding the public purse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:24 pm 
I think you will find that this vast sum of money does not derive entirely from MOD civil servants living the life of Riley (only the Senior Civil Service gets to do that - the rest make do with the Holiday Inn) but it does reflect the inbalance within the MOD that there is a bloated civilian workforce 'supporting' a military force that has, in terms of manpower, literally been cut down to the bone.

Also a lot of the time the civil servants are travelling around attending functions that do not provide a benefit, even according to the internal logic of the public sector - meetings where nothing is resolved, and courses where nothing is learnt (dblearning anyone?).


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 Post subject: Raiding the public purse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:53 am 
£730 million a year for MoD civil servants on their meals, hotels and taxis is about the same as the annual over-spend on UORs etc that has created the £3.5 billion black hole in the MoD's accounts. So perhaps these 3 items of civil servants' government-financed meals, hotels and taxis are what should be cut in future to balance the MoD's annual budget.

But I am sure some at least of these costs are necessary, eg to assist diplomatic contacts with, & the sales of obsolete UK military equipment to, foreign governments etc. But definitely not £730 millions a year.

Saving half this amount per year, eg, over 2 - 3 years could buy another T45 Daring class A/D destroyers, & 2 over 5 years.

Alternatively, saving even less, eg about 15% - ie about £100 million annually during 2004/5 - would have paid for:
- about 200 more MRAP vehicles (perhaps slightly more, in fact),
- between 4 & 5 new Chinook helicopters,
- one more much-needed C17 Globemaster III strategic transport plane,
- approximately 2 more Reaper UAVs, so providing our forces with more improved armed recon capabilities,
- refitting about a third of the older Chinooks for service until replacemnets are finally available,
- if we still had the Sea Harriers, the upgrading of all of them - so filling the gap until the F35 arrives,
- etc etc etc!

This shows that the politicians are not in control of this department, & as so often happens in large organizations, that many MoD staff members have completely forgotten what they are there for, & have become concerned only for themselves. Meanwhile, brave soldiers & others are risking life & limb on a daily basis for a pittance! What a disgrace!

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 Post subject: Re: Raiding the public purse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:08 pm 
Agincourt wrote:
£730 million a year for MoD civil servants on their meals, hotels and taxis is about the same as the annual over-spend on UORs etc that has created the £3.5 billion black hole in the MoD's accounts. So perhaps these 3 items of civil servants' government-financed meals, hotels and taxis are what should be cut in future to balance the MoD's annual budget.

But I am sure some at least of these costs are necessary, eg to assist diplomatic contacts with, & the sales of obsolete UK military equipment to, foreign governments etc. But definitely not £730 millions a year.

Saving half this amount per year, eg, over 2 - 3 years could buy another T45 Daring class A/D destroyers, & 2 over 5 years.

Alternatively, saving even less, eg about 15% - ie about £100 million annually during 2004/5 - would have paid for:
- about 200 more MRAP vehicles (perhaps slightly more, in fact),
- between 4 & 5 new Chinook helicopters,
- one more much-needed C17 Globemaster III strategic transport plane,
- approximately 2 more Reaper UAVs, so providing our forces with more improved armed recon capabilities,
- refitting about a third of the older Chinooks for service until replacemnets are finally available,
- if we still had the Sea Harriers, the upgrading of all of them - so filling the gap until the F35 arrives,
- etc etc etc!

This shows that the politicians are not in control of this department, & as so often happens in large organizations, that many MoD staff members have completely forgotten what they are there for, & have become concerned only for themselves. Meanwhile, brave soldiers & others are risking life & limb on a daily basis for a pittance! What a disgrace!

Agincourt



Agincourt you are spot on. Just when I thought the MoD could not get any worse. Words fail me. The frustrating thing is, just like with the MEP expenses, MP second homes fiddle (something even the Wintertons have been accused of), bugger all will be done about this. No heads will role and in a few years time we will be reading the same thing. Anyone for a revolution?


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 Post subject: Re: Raiding the public purse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:32 pm 

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Anyone for a revolution?


Awful long time since we had to do that, but we did it rather well as I recall.

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 Post subject: Re: Raiding the public purse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:32 pm 

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And these types of stories simply reinforce a growing belief that our masters (and their servants) exist solely to rip off the taxpayer and live high off the hog at our expense.


It seems that even Richard has moved to a tacit acceptance that the people we elect are no longer our servants but rather our masters. This is, to my mind, the root of the problem - and we are all culpable in permitting it to continue, but short of a revolution I'm not it will change anytime soon.


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