Irish referendum thread

[ELF]

Any chance of another country figuring if Ireland can get a better deal / opt-outs, so can we ? Their ratifications are now technically invalid ? If so,…

[latipa]

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct ... anguage=en:

At the European Council, we will want to confer with each other, to hear Prime Minister Cowen's analysis, as well as his ideas on how to address the concerns expressed by those who chose to vote no.

It is my impression, that the no vote was met with support from across the political spectrum. That should make it almost impossible for Cowen to just pick out one "concern" , and try to steer for a Lisbon II.

[George Earle]

on Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:25 pm

Rosie wrote:- “All it needs now is for Stuart Wheeler to get a result”.

Presumably broken promise unlawful, must hold a referendum.

Maybe we have a little more reason to hope for that. If the Irish No stops our ratification process by embarrassing Gordon Brown from ploughing on with it, then the Judgement for a referendum will be that bit easier for the Judges because it will then be academic. After all they are not in a sealed room cut off from the scheming corrupt political world we live in and the Irish No can give them courage . We can but hope.

[Guest]

Time for a celebration over a bottle of champagne...on second thoughts make that a bottle of best Irish stout.

Just when Richard North was beginning to qestion where this blog and his fine efforts were leading this is a timely boost in restoring some flagging morale.Keep up the good fight.

[Stuart]

Former Europe Minister Denis MacShane conceded that the Lisbon Treaty "may well be dead" following the Irish vote.

But the Labour MP added: "I personally think that a vote in a foreign country should not determine the democratic decisions taken in the British Parliament."

Denis is so dip shit he makes me look clever.

[comet]

Oh glorious day!

I'm sure that this won't stop the Consti-treaty dead, but it will make people think about it, and however cynical one is about the way the Irish will be asked the question again and again until they get the answer right, the Irish NO vote is a damned sight better than an Irish YES vote.

[Curtis LeMay]

Hallelujah!

No: 53.4%
Yes: 46.8

[RAENORTH]

And now the fun starts - not whether, but how the "colleagues" get round it.

[Stuart]

I guess now is as good a time as any to do that big demonstration thingy in London.

[John Archer]

BREAKING NEWS!

THE EU HAS JUST ANNOUNCED that the vote in Ireland was a dry run only — a system test of Plan D. The real vote will be held next Thursday, 19th June.

Insiders have leaked that if that too results in a majority NO vote then the system will deemed not yet fully operational and that real vote will be demoted to the status of another system test. If necessary, further real votes will be held on the following Thursdays with each being demoted to the status of a system test until a majority votes YES which result will be taken as real and final and as fully validating the system.

No further votes will be taken by anyone on anything...... ever again.

--Ends--

[Julian Williams]

The middle ground is gone!

Gordon cannot dither about whether he is on the side of the people who elected him or on the side of his EU puppet masters, he has to make a choice. This is a question every elected politician, especially Irish politicians, across the EU have to ask themselves; whose side are they really on?

[Helen S]

The middle ground is gone!

Gordon cannot dither about whether he is on the side of the people who elected him or on the side of his EU puppet masters, he has to make a choice. This is a question every elected politician, especially Irish politicians, across the EU have to ask themselves; whose side are they really on?

Why? They've never asked themselves before. Honestly, anyone would think we have not been here before.

[permanentexpat]

Well, what a surprize!

"«Não» irlandês
Ratificação do Tratado deve continuar, diz Durão Barroso

Presidente da Comissão Europeia sublinha que o texto, aprovado em Lisboa pelos 27, «não está morto»."

.....................I have no words

[Julian Williams]

The middle ground is gone!

Gordon cannot dither about whether he is on the side of the people who elected him or on the side of his EU puppet masters, he has to make a choice. This is a question every elected politician, especially Irish politicians, across the EU have to ask themselves; whose side are they really on?

Helen responded
Why? They've never asked themselves before. Honestly, anyone would think we have not been here before.]

No we have never been here before, this is quite a lot worse than previously. The constitution/treaty has now been rejected three times in a row by three hitherto pro-EU electorates. Politicians have to decide on whose side they are on. There can be no pretending that this result is a freak result and no pretending that going ahead with the treaty somehow has the blessing of the other electorates who have not been given the opportunity to express their opinions.

Everyone can see what they are doing, even my non-political friends are upset and astounded by the immediate reaction from the EU elite towards the people they pretend to serve but treat like plebs.

Did you see those Irish posters - "we will not be bullied"? That is the sentiment of defiance that this is generating in ordinary people against the EU

[interested party]

First, congratulations! I think the EU Referendum blog certainly had some atmospheric impact on the vote.

Second, question: does this not rob any future EU of any and all legitimacy, grounded as it is in political sand?

Third, if an EU-wide referendum were held now, which countries would vote "yes" and which "no". Would it be a complete rout in favor of the no's?