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 Post subject: A bureaucracy that will kill us by the millions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:11 pm 
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With food shortages, inflation and the dire effect of the biofuels policy very much in the news, the EU is in the process of taking another massive step which will, over time, exacerbate the food shortages which are plaguing the global economy.

This is the framework directive on the sustainable use of pesticides, replacing and adding to the existing pesticide law, Directive 91/414/EEC, to which we have not given anything like enough attention (or any).

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A perfect example of what a huge problem we have, with such an unweildy system the EU have created. For not only are they practically unacountable, they are also in the grip of a manic Green agenda, of which this lunatic scheme is no doubt a product.

As you rightly say, it will only be when we are enjoying large drops in crop production, that the cretins may reconsider and by then the damage will be done.

We really do have to get out of this madness.


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Another fantastic post, Dr. N.

I've been thinking about it all afternoon, while out putting chemicals on my wheat - a straw stiffener (to make it stand up better and be easier to combine), a fungicide (to keep fungi at bay) and something to make the leaf absorb the chemical more efficiently.

Yup, we've seen our armoury whittled down over the years - it seems that the golden rule is: 'If it's cheap, and it works well, it'll be banned soon.' Farewell simazine, farewell IPU - not to mention the good old box of matches for a field of straw, the best cleaner up of bugs'n'weeds'n'diseases ever.

Blimey, this food shortage is going to reset a few priorites, thank goodness.

I had root canal work at lunchtime. Oo ow foxtrot. Good thing the chemicals involved in that aren't banned!

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Having disposed of all those nasty chemicals, might not the colleauges be swayed by the GM lobby (and some nice Nu Labour style backhanders) to push for GM crops to replace all the 'traditionally reared' crops lost. All to save the planet of course.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:45 pm 

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My comment here is not on EU-related pesticide regulations, but is about what appears, astonishingly, to be EU-recommended BORDER CHANGES! See:
1. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/23/nmap123.xml

2. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1076910.ece

3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561342&in_page_id=1770

If Brussels' bureaucrats can hatch such unpopular & pointless schemes, what new madness will they next concoct? According to The Telegraph
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The regions have legal status and Manche has a budget of £261million between 2007 and 2013, Atlantic £127million and North Sea £219million.

So these 3 absurd & frequently illogical regions already "have legal status" (ie exist - & since 2007 at that!), & together will cost £607million between 2007 & 2013! Well that's all good money well saved if & when the UK comes to its senses & leaves the pernicious EU!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:01 pm 

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Here is a quote on the same theme as the previous comment on this thread: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... mment.html?[url]in_article_id=561574&in_page_id=1787[/url]

You'll need to scroll down it a bit, as the quote is the 3rd item on the page.
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EU's FOLLY AND FRAUD
The inhabitants of Sussex can forget about flying the St George's flag on the saint's day next year because, according to Brussels, they are no longer part of England, but citizens of the Manche Region of the United States of Europe.

It would be almost funny if this latest assault on our national identity wasn't backed by a £261million budget for the 'region', administered from France.

And this on the day after Euro MPs kept secret a report into what one MEP - who has seen it - called the 'criminal abuse' of their £100million expenses fund.

Advocates for the EU complain that it is denigrated as corrupt and obsessed with creating a European superstate. Sadly, with every passing day it's clearer that this so-called 'caricature' is only too true.


The last paragraph sums up the EU perfectly, I'd say!

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number 6 wrote:
Having disposed of all those nasty chemicals, might not the colleauges be swayed by the GM lobby (and some nice Nu Labour style backhanders) to push for GM crops to replace all the 'traditionally reared' crops lost. All to save the planet of course.


Interesting comment - even if all the GM hype about increased productivity is true, the gains are only a fraction of those which can be achieved by use of simple, well-established control measures using well-tried pest control methods.

Of course, there is an element of self-interest from the companies which market pest-resistant GM crop seed in supporting tighter controls over pesticides. And since these are often the same companies, which see greater margins in GM seeds than they do in commodity pesticides, you have the apparently perverse situation of pesticide companies supporting legislative restrictions on pesticide marketing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:09 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
With food shortages, inflation and the dire effect of the biofuels policy very much in the news, the EU is in the process of taking another massive step which will, over time, exacerbate the food shortages which are plaguing the global economy.

This is the framework directive on the sustainable use of pesticides, replacing and adding to the existing pesticide law, Directive 91/414/EEC, to which we have not given anything like enough attention (or any).

View full article here


Dr North, you and Christopher Booker appear to have an uneasy relationship with pesticides. Here is a quote from a 2003 Booker article:-

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Georgina Downs, a young singer who, as I reported last July, has fought a fearless campaign to expose the startling gap in the law which deprives members of the public of any protection from damage by toxic crop-sprays. She and her parents suffered severe health problems from repeated exposure to pesticides drifting over their Sussex home and garden from the fields next door. Georgina was amazed to discover that, under EU law, the public have no right to any warning from farmers when such poisonous chemicals are used, or even to know which chemicals they have been exposed to. When Georgina recently had a meeting with the farm minister, Lord Whitty, and his colleague Michael Meacher, she showed them a video of what her family must put up with. When asked whether he would personally find it acceptable, Whitty weakly agreed it could be "inconvenient and annoying". The ministers promised to consider changing the law. But the fact is, as Georgina learned last year after showing her video to the Pesticides Advisory Committee, unless Brussels agrees, that there will be nothing British ministers can do about it . (Daily Telegraph C. Booker 23 March 2003 )


Aren't the EU just giving you what you want, applying the precautionary principle. To be honest the campaign against pesticides seems to have all the hallmarks to me of a scare of the type you recently documented so well.

Georgina Downs is quoted at the end of the Telegraph article you linked to. The poor woman seems incapable of understanding that the price of food does have a a bearing on human health.

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But Georgina Downs, who runs the UK Pesticides Campaign, accused the agriculture industry of trying to scare people.

"Unfortunately they seem to be more concerned with food and prices when the priority should be human health and the environment.

They argue that yields will drop and prices will rise if they are now allowed to use pesticides when there is clear evidence that yields can be increased through the use of non-chemical and organic methods," she said.

"The EU has made clear that long term exposure to pesticides can lead to serious disturbances to the immune system, sexual disorders, cancers, sterility, and result in birth defects. That is why these chemicals should be banned."


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'Pesticides' cover a vast range of chemicals, with as wide a range of effects on humans. Using dangerous chemicals is wrong, banning all chemicals is wrong.

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