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 Post subject: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:34 am 
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The BBC pulled off something of a coup yesterday, having Angela Merkel interviewed on Newsnight. The Reuters agency has her saying it would be a huge political mistake if Greece was allowed to leave the euro, and said Germany would do all it could to keep the eurozone together.

The eurozone would be "incredibly weakened" by a Greek exit, she says: "People all over the world would ask: 'Who will be next?'" She then goes on to say ...

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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:00 am 

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I still think Greece should be aloud to go bankrupt and follow the track Iceland did but the maintaining of the EU as a political mission is not the only policy.

A similar "catastrophic" political scam is found in the execution of the UN Agenda 21, fully endorsed by the EU, that brought us the closure of entire cities and former industrial area's like the Ruhrgebiet for so called "high emission vehicles and dust generating activity like something as rudementry
like plowing a field or construction.

Despite the fact that designated Green Zone area's don't see a measurable particle reduction the program continues because it's a political process which totally ignores the fact that most fine dust is produced by nature and nature takes care of it.

We really have to kill these politics of spending money and resources on non issues because eventually they will undermine our entire civilization.

Roy Spencer on Fox's John Stossel (about temperatures, CO2 and particulates.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/26/d ... ssel-show/

and

Take that: Nature regulating particulates
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2012/03/27 ... ticulates/

and

NCSE, When is purported science not science (but politics)
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/27/n ... t-science/

and

Oh Noes, State of the planet: We saw a great acceleration (and it's the fault of the British)
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/26/o ... eleration/

Political agenda's today have become at odds with any economic and scientific basics.

This say's more about the politics than economics and science.

This is the politics of a totalitarian doctrine comparable with the political systems we saw at the other side of the iron curtain.

A frontal confrontation to stop this total madness IMO is inevitable.

The establishment is fully aware of this and gearing up.


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 Post subject: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:15 am 

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This is not only a monetary decision, it is a political one...It would be a huge political mistake to allow Greece to leave.

The logical corollary of this statement of Frau Merkel's is that the eurozone will go on supporting its weaker members, including Greece, until all its member countries & their citizens face bankruptcy. Somehow she seems to think that will not be a political catastrophe - even though it clearly will be an economic one!

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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:29 am 

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Merkel can support all she wants, but with a spendthrift frog incoming the German people will have a say about billions of their taxes supporting everybody/thing.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:50 am 

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The euro is like "climate change": both are primarily political – but mistakenly thought to be primarily scientific and economic respectively.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:11 am 

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With no insight, doubt or remorse about her policies, German workers have hit the streets.

Their quest, better job protection and more pay.

You would get the impression these strikes have nothing to do with Merkel's financial policies.


That is until you listen to their arguments which clearly reject the German policies towards the bail outs of the banks and the failing member states.

So on the home front not all is well, opposition is building and the fact that Germans hit the streets at all is a clear sign that people are fed up with the political establishment.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:26 am 

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It is a political one. ... and this is what makes the crisis so difficult to read for the financial wonks.

IMO, ZH is great for flagging the issues and events, but their predictions are always out for this reason.

Watchet wrote:
The logical corollary ....a political catastrophe

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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:31 am 

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I'd say this was not so much political rather than economic, but a case of a political dream held by the ruling set colliding with economic and political reality. The political reality is that Germans don't want to pay for this.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:57 am 
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rhaan wrote:

A similar "catastrophic" political scam is found in the execution of the UN Agenda 21, fully endorsed by the EU . . .

. . . This is the politics of a totalitarian doctrine comparable with the political systems we saw at the other side of the iron curtain.



Unfortunately Agenda 21 is more than a scam.

As a small example: -

5.56. Proposals should be developed for local, national and international population/environment programmes in line with specific needs for achieving sustainability.

5.60. Understanding of socio-cultural and political factors that can positively influence acceptance of appropriate population policy instruments should be improved.

5.62. The areas of human resource development and capacity-building, with particular attention to the education and training of women, are areas of critical importance and are a very high priority in the implementation of population programmes.

5.63. Workshops to help programme and projects managers to link population programmes to other development and environmental goals should be conducted.

5.64. Educational materials, including guides/workbooks for planners and decision makers and other actors of population/environment/development programmes, should be developed.


Don't forget, "we" are entirely signed up to this !

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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:17 pm 

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letmethink wrote:
rhaan wrote:

A similar "catastrophic" political scam is found in the execution of the UN Agenda 21, fully endorsed by the EU . . .

. . . This is the politics of a totalitarian doctrine comparable with the political systems we saw at the other side of the iron curtain.



Unfortunately Agenda 21 is more than a scam.

As a small example: -

5.56. Proposals should be developed for local, national and international population/environment programmes in line with specific needs for achieving sustainability.

5.60. Understanding of socio-cultural and political factors that can positively influence acceptance of appropriate population policy instruments should be improved.

5.62. The areas of human resource development and capacity-building, with particular attention to the education and training of women, are areas of critical importance and are a very high priority in the implementation of population programmes.

5.63. Workshops to help programme and projects managers to link population programmes to other development and environmental goals should be conducted.

5.64. Educational materials, including guides/workbooks for planners and decision makers and other actors of population/environment/development programmes, should be developed.


Don't forget, "we" are entirely signed up to this !



You're right.

Agenda 21 is going to kill billions.

Much worse than what we had on the other side of the Iron Curtain or under Mao.

They simply want to get rid of 6 billion people and because they can't kill them instantly without risking trial, they have started to legally sabotage our economies.

Energy poverty, famine, all weapons they will use against us.

We need a top down clean up from the UN, the EU and our national Governments, our scientific institutions, our media, our schools, probably the total collapse of the entire system.

Unfortunately no "positive" solutions are available at this moment in time.
Our options are limited from bad to very bad.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:18 pm 

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SandyRham wrote:
Merkel can support all she wants, but with a spendthrift frog incoming the German people will have a say about billions of their taxes supporting everybody/thing.


Sandy, Sarkozy is ahead in the polls again. It's far too close to call the outcome. The frogs might not be as daft as you think, though I acknowledge that still leaves them considerable scope for random stupid acts.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:39 pm 

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This is what we have been saying all along, and this is what makes the crisis so difficult to read for the financial wonks. This is not finance, it is politics. This is why the issue cannot be resolved. The train wreck goes on.


The euro was always about politics.Despite it being an unmittigated disaster and despite her saying she wants to put it all right now, Merkel is still determined to make the same mistake.She will of course use economic policy to get what she wants by hook or by crook,but eventually she(or the colleagues) will run into Margaret Thatchers premise "you can't buck the market".


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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:00 pm 
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vincent wrote:
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This is what we have been saying all along, and this is what makes the crisis so difficult to read for the financial wonks. This is not finance, it is politics. This is why the issue cannot be resolved. The train wreck goes on.


The euro was always about politics.Despite it being an unmittigated disaster and despite her saying she wants to put it all right now, Merkel is still determined to make the same mistake.She will of course use economic policy to get what she wants by hook or by crook,but eventually she(or the colleagues) will run into Margaret Thatchers premise "you can't buck the market".


Yes. but she can give it a run for its money ... literally. They've lasted longer than anyone would predict.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:46 pm 

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Has anyone, in the ranks of the Kommissars, or in Merkel-la-la-land ever given a moments consideration to the plight of the ordinary Greek/Irishman/Portuguese?

NO.

This is why economic-politics will be the downfall of the Euro; people cannot survive on retrenchment, future 'broken' promises and just fresh air.


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 Post subject: Re: A huge political mistake
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:08 pm 

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Yes. but she can give it a run for its money ... literally
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