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 Post subject: Thrown to the wolves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:22 am 
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Peter Hitchens has a go at our extradition agreement with the USA, which I thought left the issue rather unbalanced. It is all very well talking about Christopher Tappin, and how badly he is being treated. But what about the European Arrest Warrant?

But, just for once, the Mail does the right thing, picking up on the case of Michael Turner and Jason McGoldrick who will be flown to Budapest today, where they will be handed over to the Hungarian authorities on charges relating to a failed business venture there seven years ago.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:36 am 
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Michael and Jason should change their names to achmed and ranjit.

Have we ever handed over any diversoids in similar circumstances? An FOI request on the race of requested 'exportees' along with outcome might prove interesting.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:07 am 
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JohnArcher wrote:
...change their names to achmed and ranjit. Have we ever handed over any diversoids...


Not sure that I get the allusion, if there is one. Perhaps I misapprehend. I am naturally distressed by the thought that my country is unfairly extraditing people, especially as an abuse of the threat of terrorism. Worse still, that my country would subject a citizen of the UK to such treatment. In this country, we regard England as our rootstock and as the giver of our common law system. You also gave us an interesting language. You can attach some weight to what I say as I can say it as a “diversoid” (Here we all are diversoids to some degree). My heritage is Scandinavian with a smidgen of German: not even a trace of English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish. (Some of my friends are, but we never talk about it). Actually, my wife is Irish: her grandfather came to America after the “trible” in 1916 when his brother was killed. So, please accept my appreciation and admiration of the UK as genuine and not predicated on any tribal loyalties. No, I don’t expect the UK to be perfect, just worthy of my (and most Americans) continued respect. Of course I am alarmed if we are actively, and unfairly, kidnapping UK citizens. Such abuses of power do not sit well with us. I don’t know what Christopher Tappin stands accused of, and not the slightest idea of whether he is guilty of anything. A Google search tells me he exported batteries to Iran. I don’t know if that makes him a bad guy.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:46 am 
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Can we be sure that any evidence against then has not been obtained by torture? (accompanied by the obligatory hand-wringing of course).

Just asking.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:04 am 

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My experience of being detained by the Hungarians and the reactions of our PTB does not give confidence that they know about innocent until proved guilty .


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 Post subject: Re: Thrown to the wolves
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Robin wrote:
My experience of being detained by the Hungarians and the reactions of our PTB does not give confidence that they know about innocent until proved guilty .

OUR plods don't understand that distinction! (From experience.)

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 Post subject: Re: Thrown to the wolves
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DaveEvans wrote:
Robin wrote:
My experience of being detained by the Hungarians and the reactions of our PTB does not give confidence that they know about innocent until proved guilty .

OUR plods don't understand that distinction! (From experience.)


I know they`re afraid to go to a travellers site but what did they do to you Dave ?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:59 am 
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Pluck,

I intended to respond to your post above more fully but not just now. I'm afraid it will have to be later.

In the meantime, I can tell you I wasn't making any allusion to the asymmetry in extradition treatment between us, although that surely is a sore point. However, I don't see it as the US's fault —the bastards who need stringing up for that one are all on this side of the Atlantic.

I get the very strong impression that when you look at the UK you are wearing rose-tinted glasses. You shouldn't. This country has become an ungovernable, multi-ethnic (mostly revoltingly south-asian) shithole in my lifetime WITHOUT ANY DEMOCRATIC MANDATE (none would ever have been given were it sought for such a drastic and fundamental change) and the whole business is way out of control. Think Beirut. That's what we have coming unless we reverse all the post-WWII hideoid influx PDQ. No, I do NOT 'celebrate diversity', and certainly not of that kind.

As for Scandinavians and Germans etc, in short I see them almost as cousins — so no problem there. Their continental style of politics is a different matter though.

By the way, on the subject of rose-tinted glasses: it happens I wear them too, when I look to the US. I see the Declaration of Independence and the likes of Thomas Jefferson etc. And then I see ... well, Barak who? *&%@! It seems your voting public is as dumb as ours.

I hope we both recover our senses.

By the way, I think there are a few contributors here who share my views on our wonderful immigrant influx but I understand from others that they find those views 'unacceptable'. Life is full of surpises.

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 Post subject: Re: Thrown to the wolves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:12 pm 

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JohnArcher wrote:
Pluck,

I intended to respond to your post above more fully but not just now. I'm afraid it will have to be later.

In the meantime, I can tell you I wasn't making any allusion to the asymmetry in extradition treatment between us, although that surely is a sore point. However, I don't see it as the US's fault —the bastards who need stringing up for that one are all on this side of the Atlantic.

I get the very strong impression that when you look at the UK you are wearing rose-tinted glasses. You shouldn't. This country has become an ungovernable, multi-ethnic (mostly revoltingly south-asian) shithole in my lifetime WITHOUT ANY DEMOCRATIC MANDATE (none would ever have been given were it sought for such a drastic and fundamental change) and the whole business is way out of control. Think Beirut. That's what we have coming unless we reverse all the post-WWII hideoid influx PDQ. No, I do NOT 'celebrate diversity', and certainly not of that kind.

As for Scandinavians and Germans etc, in short I see them almost as cousins — so no problem there. Their continental style of politics is a different matter though.

By the way, on the subject of rose-tinted glasses: it happens I wear them too, when I look to the US. I see the Declaration of Independence and the likes of Thomas Jefferson etc. And then I see ... well, Barak who? *&%@! It seems your voting public is as dumb as ours.

I hope we both recover our senses.

By the way, I think there are a few contributors here who share my views on our wonderful immigrant influx but I understand from others that they find those views 'unacceptable'. Life is full of surpises.


The illegal dwellings at the foot of every garden in Southall have been mentioned on this blog before, but last night it made the Ten O'clock News. Normally of course this is a subject that the BBC would not touch with a barge pole, but so large has the abuse become that it is now impossible to ignore. Apparently the hoses where the dwellings are built all belong to Punjabi s, and so are the people occupying them. No great surprises there then. Most of the people stuck in these dwellings are destined to be permanent slaves with no chance of ever earning enough to pay off the debts they have incurred getting here, which no doubt suits a lot of people.

But just when you though the BBC had reported some real news they then had an item on how the melting Arctic ice was causing the recent snowy winters we had. The sign off was as the World warms we might see more snow. As I said to my wife they're saying as the World warms, it's going to get colder. Astonishing, but that's Britain in the 21st century.


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 Post subject: Re: Thrown to the wolves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:54 pm 

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Robin wrote:
DaveEvans wrote:
Robin wrote:
My experience of being detained by the Hungarians and the reactions of our PTB does not give confidence that they know about innocent until proved guilty .

OUR plods don't understand that distinction! (From experience.)


I know they`re afraid to go to a travellers site but what did they do to you Dave ?

They were generally overbearing, accusatory, almost threatening and generally obnoxious.
They claimed certainty of my guilt, accused me of being on the internet for the purposes of visiting porn sites, snide and they've now got my DNA, prints & photo.

I've since been quite sure to only use 2 words in any interaction with plod.

"No response!"

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Nightjack's advice seems sound:

http://chrismckee.co.uk/a-survival-guid ... cent-folk/

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 Post subject: Re: Thrown to the wolves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:29 pm 

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Clarence wrote:

Yep. I can, as I believe they say, roll with that.

If you just remember to keep your trap shut or just say, no response the solicitor is unnecessary though.

You must remember that even the most innocent response can often be turned on you.

NB No response irritates the hell out of them. No, I'm no career criminal and have never been charged for a criminal offence.

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