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 Post subject: A stampede of elephants
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:21 pm 
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You would have thought that, given the huge number of column inches devoted to the diverse and expensive defence procurement failures, the MSM might be interested in this government's proposals for remedying the system, delivered on Wednesday in the form of a White Paper.

The official announcement on the MoD Website makes the agenda clear enough, telling us that the "Government" has set out its plans to prioritise investment in Science and Technology, "in order to ensure the UK's Armed Forces continue to have state-of-the-art technology, equipment and support, in a White Paper published today".

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 Post subject: Re: A stampede of elephants
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Right, don't these tw@ts understand DEFENCE?

OK [hypothetically..... maybe], if we bought all our ordnance from continental suppliers, what happens if we go to war agin one of our main suppliers?

Have these 'competition bods' given any consideration to that possibility?

That's the idea, that we British manufacture and equip our own forces from home soil and then; the next best option, is to buy from our only Allies and they all speak English/American English............... .

Conclusion, we don't have any friends in Europe barring the Dutch and Scandinavians.


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 Post subject: Re: A stampede of elephants
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:36 am 
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Ravenscar wrote:

Conclusion, we don't have any friends in Europe barring the Dutch and Scandinavians.


I thought historically that we've always got on with the Portuguese and Polish?

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So does this mean that pork barrelling is now offically shifted from a UK to an EU level?


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RoadHog wrote:
Ravenscar wrote:

Conclusion, we don't have any friends in Europe barring the Dutch and Scandinavians.


I thought historically that we've always got on with the Portuguese and Polish?


"England has no eternal friends, England has no perpetual enemies, England has only eternal and perpetual interests". Palmerston

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Owain wrote:
So does this mean that pork barrelling is now offically shifted from a UK to an EU level?


That is very much the size of if. When you do sleaze, it has to be on the European level.

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 Post subject: Re: A stampede of elephants
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:59 am 

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I thought historically that we've always got on with the Portuguese and Polish?


Historically, the Portuguese thing is all about Spain, Poland - I think we may be falling out of love with them.

On having to (because let us not think that this is a voluntary 'scheme') buy arms from the EU. From our politicians point of view; it's a 'one world government' thing and everybody is 'your brother' - nationalism is dead.

But all of our sea of troubles will not end there, there is another threat.

Trouble is, this love your brother thing has gone a bit too far because all bets will be off soon enough. It also will be an involuntary subsuming; it will be welcome to 'to another ideology' and one which is far more bellicose and this will happen via an internal strife, civil war and through demographic 'war' via the birth rate.

That is patently obvious but we aren't allowed to talk about it, the bloody world is too PC and who [EU Frankfurt School Stasi] is to blame for that?

We aren't even allowed to discuss the real threats anymore, that would be 'bad form'. Therefore, what we have done is to open the door and roll out the red carpet for [millions of] people inimical to our western ethos, traditions, culture and religion - clever eh? Not very clever really, the end game was never logically thought through. A massive social experiment, metamorphosed out of a meld of Socialist Utopian ideals and a determined effort [by the European political elites] to trash the west; "we were only following orders".... just EU multiculturalism gone mad and strict British adherence to all of the above.


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 Post subject: Re: A stampede of elephants
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"England has no eternal friends, England has no perpetual enemies, England has only eternal and perpetual interests". Palmerston


That's very good, very, very good and just how we should think.


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Maybe Hugo Boss will get the uniforms contract.


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 Post subject: Re: A stampede of elephants
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:40 am 
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briansj wrote:
Maybe Hugo Boss will get the uniforms contract.


That went to our "strategic partner" ... China.

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Ravenscar wrote:
- nationalism is dead.

But all of our sea of troubles will not end there, there is another threat.

Trouble is, this love your brother thing has gone a bit too far because all bets will be off soon enough. It also will be an involuntary subsuming; it will be welcome to 'to another ideology' and one which is far more bellicose and this will happen via an internal strife, civil war and through demographic 'war' via the birth rate.


You're not allowed to say things like that, they are the special ones that must be protected, regardless of what they do. However the birth rate thing always reminds me of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

The Lefties hated it because it got massive coverage, they've tried very hard to rubbish it. However, I checked the UK information as a litmus test and the information given (birth rate) is correct, the indigenous British birth rate is indeed 1.6.

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RoadHog wrote:
Ravenscar wrote:
- nationalism is dead.

But all of our sea of troubles will not end there, there is another threat.

Trouble is, this love your brother thing has gone a bit too far because all bets will be off soon enough. It also will be an involuntary subsuming; it will be welcome to 'to another ideology' and one which is far more bellicose and this will happen via an internal strife, civil war and through demographic 'war' via the birth rate.


You're not allowed to say things like that, they are the special ones that must be protected, regardless of what they do. However the birth rate thing always reminds me of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

The Lefties hated it because it got massive coverage, they've tried very hard to rubbish it. However, I checked the UK information as a litmus test and the information given (birth rate) is correct, the indigenous British birth rate is indeed 1.6.



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Nice to see comments on a post about EU defence procurement drifting off course!

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RAENORTH wrote:
Nice to see comments on a post about EU defence procurement drifting off course!


Perhaps it is because we at risk from an internal enemy and that the MOD will become less important.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through...all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."

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