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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:23 pm 
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Reuters is reporting on a survey commissioned by the EU on shale gas, which concludes that no additional EU law is needed to regulate the exploration phase - although changes might be needed to protect the environment once the development phase is entered.

This is a highly significant development, as the Greenies have been hoping that the EU would step in and regulate shale gate out of existence, amounting to an effective ban. But energy commissioner Guenther Oettinger says that energy mix is the prerogative of member states and only they can decide on implementing a ban.

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 Post subject: Re: No more law
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This is very good to hear,good luck with your bedtime reading there.Hopefully there will not be too many "scares" which could well turn public opinion against it, scuppering this holy grail of a technology before it gets off the ground.I remember the videos of flames coming out of someones kitchen tap,which does make for alarming viewing.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:56 pm 

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Could there be a realisation that the green folly has contributed to the current malaise, or is that wishful thinking. Whatever they will find a suitable fudge to have us believe this was the plan all along.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:12 pm 

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I will take a look at this 104-page survey report, and write again in detail, if needed.


That's why you could never join a lamestream political party - because of; a probing intellect, inquiring mind, attention to minutae, sticking power and possessing scant regard for BS ideology - anybody who exhibits even the slightest leaning to any of the above, is certainly not required [particularly prospective candidates] for any member of the Parliamentary parties.

It's no wonder, that you frightened the life out of Nige too.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:13 pm 

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I remember the videos of flames coming out of someones kitchen tap,which does make for alarming viewing
There's no fire without the smoke and mirrors of the Green movement. See p21 here: http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/g ... May_11.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: No more law
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:01 pm 

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Heartening news, but note, "Energy commissioner Guenther Oettinger says that energy mix is the prerogative of member states and only they can decide on implementing a ban".

As we know, the UK government has the bit between its teeth when it comes to leading the way on climate change, and leading the way does not appear to include shale gas, but does include wrecking the economy with green foolishness (Climate Change Act 2008). More generally they seem to be among the most dedicated supporters of the EU Project (or their naive idea of the EU Project), setting what they think is an example, to our cost and with all the rest laughing up their sleeves.


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 Post subject: Re: No more law
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:25 pm 

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Even the DECC say

"In the light of the robust controls in place, outlined above, to protect the environment and ensure safe operation, DECC see no need for any moratorium on shale gas. This is also the view of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee which held an inquiry into shale gas earlier this year and took evidence from Government, regulators, the British Geological Survey, the oil and gas industry and environmental groups. The committee concluded that hydraulic fracturing itself does not pose a direct risk to water aquifers, provided that the well-casing is intact. Rather, that any risks that do arise are related to the integrity of the well, and are no different to issues encountered when exploring for hydrocarbons in conventional geological formations"

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpres ... eologists/

Unfortunately the Tyndall Centre tell us we cannot have shale gas because it might "risk jeopardising the UK’s international reputation on climate change”.

So that's alright then.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:57 pm 

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I don't trust 'em....but even Obummer has given the all clear for Shale in the US.

The mellons ain't gonna be happy and the long term effect on re-newables will be devastating.....unless gas is taxed to high heaven, which may well account for Obummer's conversion and the EU's.


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 Post subject: Re: No more law
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:34 pm 

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FU (fed up) said:

unless gas is taxed to high heaven


Yup, thats just what they'd [our political claque/European elite - same difference] like to do. But, when we are razed, brush wood blowing through an old industrial landscape [we're nearly there already - just come up North] to a Islamicised bucolic idyll and dhimmitude - through, the lunacy of UK and EU policies and immigration laxity - who is gonna keep 'em [our gilded elite] in the luxury that they've been accustomed to?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:53 pm 

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http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/news/hendry_wilton/hendry_wilton.aspx


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 Post subject: Re: No more law
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:43 pm 
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107sm210 wrote:


CHARLES HENDRY SPEECH TO WILTON PARK CONFERENCE - 23 JANUARY 2012

And not a single mention of shale gas.

However, he does say ...

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In the UK exploration for unconventional gas has recently begun. Initial indications of our potential unconventional resource are promising. While it is too early to say how significant a role it might play in our future gas supplies unconventional gas could make a welcome contribution to the diversity of the UK energy supply in the future, alongside our existing conventional gas fields, piped gas from Norway and from the Continent and LNG.


Not exactly an enthusiastic endorsement.

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 Post subject: Re: No more law
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:37 pm 

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SouthendPaul wrote:
Unfortunately the Tyndall Centre tell us we cannot have shale gas because it might "risk jeopardising the UK’s international reputation on climate change”.


I think that sums it up. The ruling class consider there's considerable prestige in climate change - we have some of the most prestigious scientific institutions active in the field and the most far reaching legislation; we are leading the way. If reality gets in the way, our prestigious scientific institutions will show that it's wrong - after all that's what they are being paid to do.

Unfortunately, reality has a way of imposing itself and can be extremely rude in doing so.


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RAENORTH wrote:
107sm210 wrote:


CHARLES HENDRY SPEECH TO WILTON PARK CONFERENCE - 23 JANUARY 2012

And not a single mention of shale gas.
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Not exactly an enthusiastic endorsement.



I disagree....unconventional gas IS shale gas.......maybe just a method that he used in order not to direct too much trouble, from enviros, his way ??


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:11 am 
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107sm210 wrote:
RAENORTH wrote:
107sm210 wrote:


CHARLES HENDRY SPEECH TO WILTON PARK CONFERENCE - 23 JANUARY 2012

And not a single mention of shale gas.
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Not exactly an enthusiastic endorsement.



I disagree....unconventional gas IS shale gas.......maybe just a method that he used in order not to direct too much trouble, from enviros, his way ??


Yes ... the point I make is that he doesn't mention shale gas by name, but includes it in the generic. If he is doing this to avoid trouble, that itself sends a message.

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 Post subject: Re: No more law
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:41 am 

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Yes ... the point I make is that he doesn't mention shale gas by name, but includes it in the generic. If he is doing this to avoid trouble, that itself sends a message.


Yes, i agree that that is one view....but, bear with me (and, of course, i could be totally wrong PDT_Armataz_01_18 ) he may be keeping his 'powder dry' due to increasing lobbying from certain quarters. The Greenies can't have it all their own way forever.....let's wait and see what happens with Huhne, at least, and what other 'finds' are coming from the earth !


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