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 Post subject: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:35 pm 
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Booker devotes his entire column this week to the great global warming delusion, picking up on the back of Climategate II, four separate issues which, as he says, makes climate science into science no longer worthy of the name.

As he wrote when the first Climategate emails appeared in 2009, the global warming scare is far and away the greatest scientific scandal of our generation. When we then contemplate the insanity of the measures the politicians have imposed on us in consequence, we know we are looking at a collective flight from reality which has no precedent in the history of the world.

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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:20 pm 

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I am at a loss to decide which is the greater delusion, the climate scam or the EU.


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:05 am 
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I am at a loss to decide which is the greater delusion, the climate scam or the EU.

They're interdependent. Here's Booker telling the story, in 2009:

"Now one of the things that strikes you when you look at the political history, I mean with scientists to start with – and they became rapidly quite political scientists and there were only very few of them back in the 80s who got this thing really going. Then some politicians jumped on the bandwagon, particularly Al Gore in the United States, but the first Government which saw right away that this was an absolutely ideal cause for it to champion way back in 1991 was what in those days was still called the European Community. It was only the following couple of years later it became the European Union. But they realised that this was the absolutely superb cause, it was everything that the EU to be could want because what could be more noble than saving the planet – it's international, the environment doesn't stop at frontiers.

All the arguments we heard, the EU wanted to jump on the environmental bandwagon, the global warming bandwagon right at the start because really it was just another example of what had always been their agenda in everything it did, it was more Europe. It would give an absolutely amazing excuse for all sorts of new laws and regulations and powers and all being done in the name of this one altruistic wonderful cause of saving the planet and nobody could possibly object to it.

So in 1991 they laid out the template for how they were going to do this all that time ago, weíre talking about nearly 20 years ago. Itís a long document which I describe of course in the book, where they lay out how theyíre going to go for renewable energy as opposed to fossil fuels, theyíre going to go for recycling waste, they're going to go for improving the energy efficiency in homes – lots of double glazing and all that. All this was being laid out back in 1991. And in 1992, guess what, they produced another document which laid out the proposals, which was adopted by the Council of Ministers, another document proposing that there should be an EU-wide carbon tax, a carbon tax on everything where CO2 had to be emitted so all that was happening as I say nearly two decades ago."


His whole speech is well worth reading (about halfway down this page):
http://www.brugesgroup.com/eu/2009-conf ... m?xp=event


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:49 am 

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As he wrote when the first Climategate emails appeared in 2009, the global warming scare is far and away the greatest scientific scandal of our generation. When we then contemplate the insanity of the measures the politicians have imposed on us in consequence, we know we are looking at a collective flight from reality which has no precedent in the history of the world.

I think there is ONE precedent.
It is The Tower of Babel.
The tower of the Louise Weiss Building in Strasburg, the European Parliament Building, was designed with the expressed purpose of resembling the tower of Babel as depicted in Pieter Brueghel's painting!
The Tower of Babel is placed in history approximately 2010-2150 years pre the birth of Jesus Christ in Bethleham in Israel. It was built perhaps in Babylon, an hour south of Baghdad.
It was an attempt at one world government based on the insane 'project' that mankind in a 'yid' (i.e. total imposed solidarity and union for its own sake..) could build a tower which reached as high as God in Heaven. The belief was so insane that any and every price was worth paying to achieve it and NO rebellion nor questioning was permitted. It literally was a religion. It all depended on continued momentum, the project going ever higher no matter what the cost or consequence. When the momentum stopped, so the project spectacularly ended in total chaos with greater divisions between tribes and nations stronger than ever before.
The Strasburg Parliament was designed to model a famous painting of The Tower of Babel.
I think it is just history repeating itself and in an almost self-conscious way.
The global warming scare scam was just a move led by the EU elite to accelerate a one world government rather than free independent nations living and trading in peace. It survives based on momentum, solidarity, union for union sake regardless of cost to the people. The EU have now found other means to go forward, to build the new Tower of Babel without global warming.
The end result will follow the original Tower's demise.
It will be such an act of insanity that generations 4000 years later will still remember it just like the original Tower.
Global warming/climate change was a stepping stone in a bigger game: global government and the Second Tower of Babel.


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:28 am 

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The politicians embraced global warming because it allowed them to raise taxes and blame something else, and we the people are at fault for letting multi millionaires put green stealth taxes on energy bills, which are then given to their own class ie the rich.
If having buffoon in charge of energy policy was the price of the coalition, it wasnt worth it


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:52 am 

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Meanwhile, from Thursday's "Material World" on Radio 4:-
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b017mr3t
04:45 onward

We have Quentin Cooper with Lord Krebbs & Prof. John Beddington.

Bedwettington, who let's remember is the Government's Chief Scientific Advisor (sic), in a discussion about risk and uncertainty, asks:-

"Is Climate Change happening?

"Is it driven by human activity?

"Is it inexorable in the current way?

"Is it driven by Greenhouse gas emissions?

"Complete consensus of informed scientific opinion that in fact there is there (sic)"

And much more besides, opining that it would be entirely wrong to suggest that there was any "uncertainty" about the "Science" just because "one scientist" disagreed with the "99" who were entirely part of the "consensus".

Not much recognition there of the obvious uncertainties of even the chief proponents of the cAGW scare as clearly revealed by Climategate 2.

With "advisors" like Bedwettington, as breathtakingly incompetent as he is flagrantly dishonest, it is no wonder that the policies of every mainstream political party is as ludicrous as they are.

But, of course, this is a circular argument. Bedwettington, like Houghton, Watson, Tickell and all the other arseholes were selected as advisors specifically BECAUSE they are incompetent and malicious little turds.


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:55 am 
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Dear God, have mercy on us & take this miserable git unto You.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... frica.html

They are all stark, stark raving bonkers & should be put down inhumanely ASAP

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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:02 am 

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Shame we can't contact the Greenie Loonie fringe and point out that since no-one cares about climate any more they'd better kidnap a minister, say one who'd reduced solar subsidies......

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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:16 am 

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permanentexpat wrote:
Dear God, have mercy on us & take this miserable git unto You.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... frica.html

They are all stark, stark raving bonkers & should be put down inhumanely ASAP



yes, he is definitely a cnut ...... oops, did i spell that wrong?


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:51 pm 

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Jonathan wrote:
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The belief was so insane that any and every price was worth paying to achieve it and NO rebellion nor questioning was permitted. It literally was a religion. It all depended on continued momentum, the project going ever higher no matter what the cost or consequence. When the momentum stopped, so the project spectacularly ended in total chaos with greater divisions between tribes and nations stronger than ever before.


(OT but it is Sunday) The same might be said about some other 'projects'.

[...] thus sparking the risk of the mother of all margin calls: a veritable credit fission reaction.[...]

Triggering event? "Some analysts say the shock waves of such an event would risk the collapse of the entire financial system". $707 Trillion! I'm not sure there will be enough 'carbon rods' to stop the reaction this time.

My Lord, four horsemen approach.

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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:35 pm 

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How our politicians have allowed themselves to become so deluded is one of those modern mysteries


They wanted to be deluded. They really have no idea how to solve the real problems we have and they'd find any solutions uncomfortable - they'd involve taking responsibility, and breaking with the EU which I guess they see as an almighty comfort blanket. A scare which is supposed to unleash untold horrors in decades is a good distraction from their present impotence and it makes us easier to manage and put up with anything. From the point of view of politicians' narrow interests and bearing in mind there's little difference between the three main parties, this thing is heaven sent. From the point of view of the Civil Service and the rest of the army of jobsworths, it's also a heaven sent reason to regulate and enlarge the army of unproductive jobsworths. The EU angle underlies everything as usual.

It all fits. If government, (not just the UK government) hadn't found it convenient to be deceived, the rubbish churned out by the EUA and Mann would have been gone over with a tooth comb and not only would it not have taken off, it would have been strafed on the runway. Another factor is that there are precious few people in the HoC with any sort of scientific or engineering background so they can be sold a sophisticated version of the idea that you can put a wind turbine on the roof of an electric car and it can charge itself as it goes along.


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:46 pm 

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There's more on Katharinegate. It really does highlight the woeful standard of journalism these days (in this case the Guardian).

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpres ... /#more-331


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:49 pm 

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The idea that you can put a wind turbine on the roof of an electric car and it can charge itself as it goes along.

Like this? http://i42.tinypic.com/2la343c.jpg

Regarding "Zero Carbon" homes - a new such development has gone up nearby - mainly starter homes provided by a housing association. Several have solar PV installations, unfortunately a couple are on East facing roofs! Fat lot of good they'll be after about 2PM...


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:20 pm 

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Don't ever believe that the Daily Fail is a sceptic of MMGW rag:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nment.html

Fred Pearce is an English author and journalist based in London. He has been described as one of Britain's finest science writers and has reported on environment, popular science and development issues from 64 countries over the past 20 years. He specializes in global environmental issues, including water and climate change.

He also writes for other newspapers. Why do they allow to spout his rubbish?

He has also written reports and extended journalism for WWF, the UN Environment Programme, the Red Cross, UNESCO, the World Bank, the European Environment Agency, and the UK Environment Agency. He is a trustee of the Integrated Water Resources International.

He is an out and out eco-facist.


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 Post subject: Re: The greatest delusion of them all
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:46 pm 

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thespecialone wrote:
Don't ever believe that the Daily Fail is a sceptic of MMGW rag:




But there's also this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shows.html

so it's hardly a supportive of MMGW rag either.

I don't expect them to have a particularly consistent line on anything and they reflect the public mood rather than lead it.


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