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 Post subject: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:44 am 
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Whitehall officials, we are told by the Failygraph, are urgently reviewing every aspect of Britain's membership of the European Union to support The Boy's promises "to bring back powers from Brussels". The Daily Wail runs its own version of that story (headline illustrated), the two papers, with others, thus building up a head of steam for something that cannot happen, and therefore isn't going to happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:03 pm 

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Nothing is going to stop the Eurozone in pursuing its own interests, least of all Dave. The bloc of 17 will always outvote the bloc of ten. His European policy (if he ever had one) is in tatters. If he had any balls he would call an election based on the UK coming out of the EU and taking back everything we have lost since 1973.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:47 pm 

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The Green Tosser is just hopeless and obviously all at sea over this issue.

He's allowing one hell of a head of steam to build up over repatriation of powers etc, which as you have always pointed out will never be allowed, consequently he will let everyone down, once all that becomes apparent.

His leadership is a car crash waiting to happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:53 pm 
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Our politicians are covered in slime to the extent that we need a legal contract with them that is water-tight. We need to know what powers will be renegotiated and a time frame. If we want more powers to be repatriated, we should be able to choose them. The British people should be given the choice of believing what our politicians come back with as far as renegotiation, with our failure to accept what we have been told or the expiration of the time frame triggering our immediate withdrawal.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:54 pm 

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I think there's so much talk of renegotiation and the repatriation of powers because at first pass it sounds completely reasonable. Isn't it better to repair something than throw it away etc? Isn't it better to engage in constructive dialogue than take your ball and go home? It takes something of a step to realise that there isn't a comfortable middle ground. Sometimes it's better to throw something away than attempt to fix it, especially if it was never designed to do what you thought it was designed for in the first place.

From the point of view of the Conservatives, reform of the EU is a carrot on a stick they've dangled when they've found it useful, hoping they'd never be called on it, that is that interest would wane and they could change the subject. Now increasingly, they are being called. I wouldn't be surprised if people like Cameron did believe the EU could be reformed, but viewed it as something that would be nice in priniciple but it was very difficult and the time was never right. To a large extent, they are discovering the reality and finding it uncomfortable.

I don't think Cameron is an idealistic europhile, believing in the Ring of Stars and all the other stuff. He's in position and is part of and a defender of the status quo, the social democratic model with the huge state that's developed since WWII, three political parties which are very similar, and the EU is a part of that. He really can't imagine life without it apart from thinking it would be a very alien and uncomfortable world. In practical terms that makes him very much a europhile, because his actions and instincts will be to fight to maintain it, and if it falls apart, to be in at the start of reconstructing something similar, or make sure life continues in the UK as if it was intact.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:07 pm 

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Any treaty can be reneged upon unilateraly of course. But tht takes balls and prepration.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:19 pm 

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"A fool's paradise", well he is certainly a fool, the only other alternative is that he is a serial liar. Compared to the rest of us he is certainly in paradise. Unfortunately we have to live in the real world, something about which he knows nought!


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:29 pm 

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As a way of letting off steam I regularly complete the monthly ConHome survey - though I'm not and never have been a Tory party member. This months questionnaire was full of questions in which the assumption that renegotiation of Britain's EU membership is possible was implicit. Of course I made full use of the "other" text boxes to explain that this was not an option. I doubt very much whether my responses are read. It does rather look as if wishful thinking is still all too popular a sport with far too many people. As for Cameron if he's not already more detested than Blair or Brown he surely soon will be - a man who believes nothing and is capable of almost anything (an opportunist with no real moral limits).

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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:22 pm 

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If England had a leader then now would be a great time to pay all monies due into escrow untill the accounts are in order. That wouls cause great incontinence among the ruling elite there, and cause other cash strapped countries to follow suit, what do you think??


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:27 pm 

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The thing is, you have researched this subject and know something about it, as opposed to the gobshites in the press who have never bothered to look into boring subjects like how Britain is actually governed. If it wasn't for this site I would still believe all the garbage about "leaders' summits" which the MSM are still banging on about.

Only this lunchtime on Any Questions I heard David Davis saying that he wanted to stay in the EU, but to renegotiate our terms of membership. The fact that this is not on offer, and never will be on offer, did not seem to concern him. Small children believe in Father Christmas, big children seem to believe that if they close their eyes and wish really, really hard, they can have the sort of special EU membership which suits them. Personally, I think I'd rather believe in Santa.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:59 pm 

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We need a revolution then ... a repatriation of powers to the British people: from the traitors Camerclogs and Westminster. Then we stop paying. If the euSSR screams for blood, we can give the Brown, Blair, Camernick, et al: no problem. They are the people who pretended to powers they did not have -- to give Britain away.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:39 pm 

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Pretty bleak analysis Dr. North but I find that every word of it is exact and indubitably correct, therefore there is no way out via that [repatriating 'powers'] door.
We must start the fight back here at home and the local council is our enemy now, the Town or Metropolitan councils carry the flame for the EU - end this local tyranny - problem goes away.

Much simpler, why can't the Mail see/get this - or are they also: 'just playing the game'?


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:18 pm 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... erous.html

Which of the two Booker stories is the better ? Huhne or the EU ?
The EU is excellent, nods to Dr North and the seminal book THE GREAT DECEPTION.
However, the Huhne story has Huhne pontificating on raising speed limits....no screenwriter could invent this irony. PDT_Armataz_01_34


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:42 pm 

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Actually, I do believe in recycling.
Truth can always be repeated.
Truth can always be told again.

This was written just under 12 months ago and will be just as accurate on the 12 month anniversary..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... otice.html

It appears that Chris Huhne, our Energy and Climate Change Secretary, is so obsessed with the half of his job relating to climate change that he can happily ignore the other half, to do with keeping the lights on. But Mr Huhne is far from alone. Not a single MP of any party has yet found the courage to mount a properly briefed challenge to all this lunacy. So what do we pay them for?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... otice.html

Just add a year to this...

Next Friday is the first anniversary of the leaking of the "Climategate" emails – the correspondence of a small group of scientists at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC). By exposing their manipulation of data and suppression of dissent, these called their reputation as disinterested scientists seriously into question. But that was only the first in a series of events that, in the past year, saw the climate scare going off the rails.

Next month sees the anniversary of the Copenhagen conference – the largest ever held, with upwards of 100,000 people present – which collapsed in an acrimonious shambles, without the treaty that would have landed the world with the biggest bill in history. This was followed by all those scandals surrounding the IPCC itself, hitherto regarded as the supreme authority on global warming. It emerged that the most recent IPCC report was riddled with errors, and that many of its more alarming predictions were based, not on proper science, but on claims dreamed up by environmental activists.

Since then, despite a series of unconvincing attempts to clear the Climategate scientists, it has become clear that the 20-year-old climate scare is dying on its feet.

But to all this deflation of the bubble our political class in Britain remains quite impervious. Our governments in London and Brussels charge on with completely unreal and damaging policies which increasingly look as much of a shambles as the warming scare which inspired them.

YES...recycling does have its place.


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 Post subject: Re: Who do you think you are kidding?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:11 pm 

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Comment thread on Booker post is a dead link.
I would have put this...
They are jumping on the North/Booker bandwagon. PDT_Armataz_01_22
It seems they ALL knew the euro would fail...and all know Greece bailout will last maybe only weeks. PDT_Armataz_01_10
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comm ... weeks.html


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