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 Post subject: Dead dictator trumps "Europe"
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:13 am 
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Even though he was shot down like a dog after he had been captured, the BBC nevertheless managed, rather decorously, to report that Gaddafi had "died" today.

There will be no tears shed for him, except perhaps the oil and gas companies which had signed lucrative contracts with his regime. Now we wait to see what the rebels do, and who they favour with their contracts.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:47 am 
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And I have fisked the CCHQ EU referendum briefing paper, so you don't have to...* PDT_Armataz_01_33

* Although do feel free—it's hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: Dead dictator trumps "Europe"
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:05 am 
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Letter to papers:

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I am given to understand that all three party leaders will be whipping the vote over a referendum on our membership of the European Union by our representatives. The phrase “elected dictatorship” seems to be ever more apt. It matters not how many people sign petitions to request a debate. It is just that, a request. When the wishes of the people collide with the wishes of the elites, we have little power to achieve what we want. How can that be described as democracy? I hope that it is becoming ever clearer to more people, that our present system of “democracy” is failing us and needs radical over-haul. A system that includes direct democracy where we have the power to over-rule our representatives when they do not represent us must surely be the only way we can effect a happier existence for our future and our future generations.


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 Post subject: Re: Dead dictator trumps "Europe"
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:16 am 

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Well I am glad Gadaffi's dead,hope he rots in hell.So let the media have their little indulgences.Then we can get on with the serious businesses of saving the entire western economy.Though I'm not holding my breath for that to come to a swift conclusion.


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 Post subject: Re: Dead dictator trumps "Europe"
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:21 am 
"Dead dictator trumps Europe" – he sure does and here he is with Mr Gadaffi

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:32 am 

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Clarence wrote:
"Dead dictator trumps Europe" – he sure does and here he is with Mr Gadaffi

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Isn't that Cathy Ashton with Herman?

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 Post subject: Re: Dead dictator trumps "Europe"
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I must say that it's rather touching how many believe that this latest bunch of savage mosque monkeys are going to be so much better than the previous bunch of savage mosque monkeys.

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 Post subject: Re: Dead dictator trumps "Europe"
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:49 am 
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devilskitchen wrote:
And I have fisked the CCHQ EU referendum briefing paper, so you don't have to...* PDT_Armataz_01_33

* Although do feel free—it's hilarious.


Why would I want to waste life energy on anything CCHQ produced? I would sooner read used toilet paper.

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 Post subject: Re: Dead dictator trumps "Europe"
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:56 am 

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Fine job on the costs.......but there is another intangible cost, that of the misery caused by the EU's wrecking ball, that it takes to everything it touches.

eg: What has been the cost to our coastal towns as the Fisheries Policy depresses all of their people, as they see the hopelessness and ruination wrought by the insanity of the EU's laws. The latest Zero crisis is causeing a massive fall off in GDP all around the world, as Co's put off investment, for fear of what the future may bring.

The lost opportunity cost throughout the UK, due to the misery caused by the EU's never ending insanity, is reason enough alone to get out...we don't need to live such miserable impoverished lives.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:04 am 
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FU (Fed Up) wrote:
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Fine job on the costs.......but there is another intangible cost, that of the misery caused by the EU's wrecking ball, that it takes to everything it touches.

eg: What has been the cost to our coastal towns as the Fisheries Policy depresses all of their people, as they see the hopelessness and ruination wrought by the insanity of the EU's laws. The latest Zero crisis is causeing a massive fall off in GDP all around the world, as Co's put off investment, for fear of what the future may bring.

The lost opportunity cost throughout the UK, due to the misery caused by the EU's never ending insanity, is reason enough alone to get out...we don't need to live such miserable impoverished lives.


That is the most important but difficult-to-measure element ... the opportunity cost. The trouble is that you have to make a comparison between what is and what might have been ... bearing in mind that international co-operation, even of a benign variety, carries costs. It also assumes that a British government, outside the EU, might have performed in an exemplary fashion which, given the sum of post-war experience, is not an assumption that is safe to make.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:01 pm 

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That is the most important but difficult-to-measure element ... the opportunity cost. The trouble is that you have to make a comparison between what is and what might have been ... bearing in mind that international co-operation, even of a benign variety, carries costs. It also assumes that a British government, outside the EU, might have performed in an exemplary fashion which, given the sum of post-war experience, is not an assumption that is safe to make.


That is pecisely the same argument the europhiles make,that it would be economically disastrous to leave the EU,though they are becoming fewer on the ground.Neither side can win a knockout blow on that line of economic reasoning.But it was always about more than just economic principles.

However I suspect,based on its track record,that leaving the EU would do us the world of good economically.I doubt everything would be perfect after that,but at least we would be the masters of our own destiny.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:07 pm 
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vincent wrote:
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That is the most important but difficult-to-measure element ... the opportunity cost. The trouble is that you have to make a comparison between what is and what might have been ... bearing in mind that international co-operation, even of a benign variety, carries costs. It also assumes that a British government, outside the EU, might have performed in an exemplary fashion which, given the sum of post-war experience, is not an assumption that is safe to make.


That is pecisely the same argument the europhiles make,that it would be economically disastrous to leave the EU,though they are becoming fewer on the ground.Neither side can win a knockout blow on that line of economic reasoning.But it was always about more than just economic principles.

However I suspect,based on its track record,that leaving the EU would do us the world of good economically.I doubt everything would be perfect after that,but at least we would be the masters of our own destiny.


One of the many problems we have to deal with is that international co-operation is, of course, necessary. The EU has usurped many of the mechanisms and agreements, and we have to rebuild those ... and learn again how to represent ourselves on an international stage ... at the technical level.

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Of course lost opportunity cost is just as hard to calculate as the supposed benefits that the EUWhores always say is there. However the evidence is now long in that there are no benefits, only massive drag that costs a fortune.

Hell if we are talking numbers @ 100 billion p/a as a cost, then leaving is a no brainer.


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FU (Fed Up) wrote:
Of course lost opportunity cost is just as hard to calculate as the supposed benefits that the EUWhores always say is there. However the evidence is now long in that there are no benefits, only massive drag that costs a fortune.

Hell if we are talking numbers @ 100 billion p/a as a cost, then leaving is a no brainer.


That figure assumes that we would not have imposed similar legislation without the EU. Much of the legislation does not originate with the EU, so we cannot take that for granted.

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I just checked out the ICC "indictment" against him. It is entirely unspecific and just accuses him of being in charge of Libya while the police "killed, injured and arrested" hundreds of people in rebellion (note the that actually only needs to mean arrested) with no specific instances given.

Had they had to "try" him on that, after NATO has certainly killed thousands they would probably have had to poison him anyway as with Milosevic.

Note, by comparison thatour own racisst henocidal fascist leaders have all been personally equally responsible for the dissection, while alive, of thousands of living people NATO's "secirity forces" in Kosovo.

I don't think anybocy but an out and out Nazi could suggest that Gaddafi was not far less criminal than any of the organleffing child rapists running Britain. Obvioisly this does not prevert the entire BBC doing so.


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