Julian Williams wrote:
A much more articulate debate took place on Moral Maze R4 A German really cut Mathew Taylor to pieces, Taylor was trying to insinuate that German public has a moral obligation to be compassionate towards the Greeks, and being pro-EU was to be compassionate, to be anti-EU was to be anti-compassionate. The tables were completely turned on Mathew Taylor.
Thanks for the steer on the Moral Maze. Normally I avoid that beeboid crap like the plague. It winds me up too much. (Melanie Phillips is generally good value though, when she's on. I only ever listen in the car.)
Incidentally, I too thought the German prof was ace. So was the New Zealander.
At about 10:45 minutes into the programme we get alien hideoid Keenan Malik the Mad Malicious Moralising Muslime:
"[Rudely interrupting the German prof] Yeah, let's let's let's turn ... let's turn ... the question slightly differently... let's turn the issue slightly differently ... luh luh luh look ... muh more ... closely at this MORAL issue ... uhm ... German taxpayers are ... uh ... of course OPPOSED to the bailout. DO YOU THINK that the MORAL STANCE of Germany should be ... uh ... predicated on the views of ... uh ... the German taxpayers? Is is is ... that the basis of of of ... deciding whether something's right or wrong?
The expectation on Malice's part here is clearly that of course, AS EVERYONE WITH ANY MORAL COMPASS WOULD AGREE, it is utterly ridiculous for mere ordinary white people (filthy taxpayers no less, and possibly especially those nasty Nazi German taxpayers) to decide such important matters.
It's very clear what democratic credentials
mean to that carcinogenic alien. Viz nothing.
Incidentally, note all the thoroughy irritating voluble hestitations he threw out to prevent interruption while he was himself interrupting and trying to formulate his his his uh uh uh dumbarse question. Debating technique man. Never let your opponent get a word in.
That other preening bliar-advising bullying tosser [Taylor?] was as bad when he tried to pin the German prof down by interrupting him and demanding, "Just answer the question.
" But the stupid frigging question was based on a stupid frigging false premise. Nasty dumphuck nu-socialist zealot.
As for the windbag cleric, what ELSE can one expect but homeopathic levels of actual content further diluted by the purest of pure windbaggery. Asked to resolve any ACTUAL 'moral' dilemma, all these bloated, parasitic, floating turds can do is respond vacuously with their formulaic, "Well, yes, one can certainly ask some very sharp questions indeed about blah blah blah...more blah blah blah... and nothing but blah blah blah....
" But answer the fcuking question, and actually state something that might remotely purport to have any actual direct application in actual ffffkng practice? Fcuk off, no way ("It would entail some logical COMMITMENTS and that would be the end of me and my fluffy-bunny vaguery
By the way, this programme exemplifies just why I loathe moralisers
so deeply. They are so convinced that their own moral
view is the only one that any reasonable
person could hold that they feel completely assured in their holy (usually secular holy these days) righteousness in thoroughly condemning any gainsayer. But what do they base it on — their moral insight
, that is? Some half-arsed version of non-existent bozo platonic truth, and THEIR version too, naturally, that's what. In fact, whatever suits THEIR purpose.
You can forget all that any of those windbagging philosophers down through history has ever had to say on morals. There's is no basis for morality other than the deals people strike with each other. That's it. That's all one needs to know.
I hope that isn't too dogmatic. Ha ha.
BTW, hence the need for democracy, the ultimate in deal making. The people may be crap, and the deals may be crap. But that's the best you're ever going to get; anything else and you'll do a lot worse. Real life can be so
P.S. It tells one almost all one needs to know about al beeb that the subject under discussion was given the 'moral
' treatment. They're nothing without their 'morals', that lot. But they're even less with them. Losers.