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 Post subject: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:15 am 
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With the nation poised on the brink of an economic catastrophe, the like of which may exceed in severity the Great Depression, The Boy steps in with an ultimatum … to supermarkets on their use of plastic carrier bags.

Mrs EU Referendum suggests the best use for one such bag might be to secure it over Cameron's head, for all the good he is as a prime minister. That he should be addressing such matters says all we need to know.

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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:44 am 

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Ach you beat me to it Richard. I couldn't believe that headline at first, agree with Mrs EURef, I was going make some remark about "keep away from babies and children"

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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:55 am 
Even if Scameron's pronouncement weren't irrelevant, he's arguing from a false premise:
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Unpublished Government research suggests the plastic carrier may not be an eco villain after all – but, whisper it, an unsung hero. Hated by environmentalists and shunned by shoppers, the disposable plastic bag is piling up in a shame-filled corner of retail history. But a draft report by the Environment Agency, obtained by the Independent on Sunday, has found that ordinary high density polythene (HDPE) bags used by shops are actually greener than supposedly low impact choices.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 20129.html


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Fiddling while the Treaty of Rome burns??

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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
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The link to the messageboard contains an erroneous 'n'.

This recent post from Bishop Hill illustrates where Dave pinched his values from. It is a video of Baroness Worthington spewing forth on how she came to be in the middle of the authoritarians. For the sake of the planet you understand.

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But, then something changed, we then had a newly elected leader of the opposition. So David Cameron came in and wanted to reinvent the Conservative Party. And he decided to take an environmental theme. He changed the logo to a tree and he’d obviously listened to the focus groups. He’d realised that the environment was actually an issue for the electorate. So he was lobbied by the Friends of the Earth and he said, “Yeah, I’ll deliver you a Climate Change Act. If you vote me in I’ll give you the bill you want that will bring in this legal framework.” And that was hugely important, that Friends of the Earth campaign that enabled that got the opposition to take up this policy was really important.


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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:43 am 

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Plastic bags and then we have bags like this;
"Anne O'Connor, an early years consultant who advises local authorities on equality and diversity."

Independent consultant, trainer and writer with many years experience in the field of early years teaching and leadership. Regular contributor to early years publications e.g. Nursery World.
Attachment and emotional resilience; brain development; equalities and diversity;transitions; physical development; bilingualism; supporting adopted and 'Looked After' children; developing integrated provision for nursery and reception age children (FSUs)


I know its Babygraph but...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... qus_thread

She states 'we' (there is always a distinction made between 'us' and 'them' by these parasitical types) should dress witches in pink.


But if go to this site, where she is an author, you will see a little girl in a black witches outfit!
http://www.nurseryworld.co.uk/news/logi ... --schemas/
Here's some more parasitical Anne O'Connors...
http://www.cowgateunder5s.co.uk/newslet ... dsp4-5.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:00 pm 

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But a good sign can be found in the comments of this article. Basically, no-one is buying this and of the seven hundred and fifty comments the highest rated are all those which ignore the plastic bag issue and treat it as the diversion it is.

Top rated at the moment:

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Attaboy, Dave...yeah, plastic bags...that's really the biggest problem this country's facing right now!


The lowest rated comments are all from bansturbators:

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Its time Cameron concentrated on with the bigger issues and leave the trivia to others, to threaten a law change is a little over the top. There is so much wrong with this country plastic bags is hardly a major issue. - MRS BUCKETT, SHROPSHIRE, 29/9/2011 That's a case of blinkered vision. By just ignoring such a "trivial" matter irrepairable damage is caused years later.


People are starting to wake up.


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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:42 pm 

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The Daily Mail article is illustrated by a photo of bags piled up by a litter bin in a park. These “single use bags” have all been used three times at least. Once to buy the shopping, twice to bring the food to the festival, thrice to dispose of the litter. Those who have not used bags have just thrown litter on the grass around the park. Useful things, those bags.

Bag attitude is just another delusional green obsession. That Cameron cannot see this is just another symptom of his disconnection from reality.


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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:49 pm 
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Single use plastic bags? There's no such thing. Everyone I know re-uses them at least twice - once as bin liners and once as refuse sacks. And they aren't free - the supermarkets pay for them out of the profits they make from us. Like the NHS they are only "free" at the point of delivery.

But this is an entirely trivial issue - a meaningless talking point - talked up by eco-lunatics (obviously posh Southern eco-lunatics who buy seperate bin liners and refuse sacks). Maybe it is becuase of its triviality that it is outside the remit of a European "competancy", so it is an issue upon which "call me Dave" can afford to have an opinion of his own.

Earth to "Dave": The conservative position (small c) on this issue is, "WTF has this got to do with government?". But unfortunately, while the appropriate description of "Dave" does begin with a small c, it IS NOT conservative.

I thought we were told that there would be a hiatus on passing poorly considered legislative burdons upon industry (apart from those from the EU over which we have no say, of course). Why do idiot politicians (of all stripe) think that adding a greater legislative burden to businesses during a recession will somehow boost the economy? Who on earth do these fools - who have never done an honest days work in the private sector - think they are to dictate business practice to the supermarkets? And why do they always assume that the answer to every (real, and - in this case - imagined) "problem" is more government?

Businesses have a social responsibility to their investors and employees. They should not be a political vehicle for the ill conceived and often destructive social experimentation of our universally socialist political class.

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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:06 pm 

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Are these bags even an environmental consideration?

If you try to keep & use one for any length of time, they start to disintegrate, suggesting biodegradability.

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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:18 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
Mrs EU Referendum suggests the best use for one such bag might be to secure it over Cameron's head, for all the good he is as a prime minister.


You had better warn Mrs EUReferendum that she will be leaving herself wide open to Health & Safety charges should she ever pass on a plastic carrier bag to David Cameron. It clearly states on each and every bag:

"Keep away from babies and children"

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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
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The number of single-use plastic bags. There is the lie. These bags get used multiple times, if not for garbage containment even. This phrase is a propaganda prop (prop prop?) that the enviromentalists deliberately deploy. It is a lie.

But I must agree with you that this is a trivial matter for such a very important person as the boy king ... oh, wait, maybe it's not; perhaps this issue is something he can manfully handle.

Does he not have anything better to do? Do his advisors really think he will benefit from this courageous stand?


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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
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Robert of Ottawa wrote:
The number of single-use plastic bags. There is the lie. These bags get used multiple times, if not for garbage containment even. This phrase is a propaganda prop (prop prop?) that the enviromentalists deliberately deploy. It is a lie.

But I must agree with you that this is a trivial matter for such a very important person as the boy king ... oh, wait, maybe it's not; perhaps this issue is something he can manfully handle.

Does he not have anything better to do? Do his advisors really think he will benefit from this courageous stand?


Just heard on Radio 4 this morning that Wales is introducing a 5p tax on plastic bags tomorrow. The presenter was sceptical about it, and even the minister agreed it was more symbolic than anything else. So there you are a complete waste of time, but it is still going ahead regardless. All were agreed it would spread across the whole of the UK soon. France has just introduced a soda tax, expect that here soon. I think it was Shakespeare who said "there are tides in the affairs of men". We are in the middle of such a tide I'm afraid, bringing a whole rash of stupid legislation that will discredit the rule of law.

Might I recommend http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com ... ssion.html for those interested in what is coming down the line at us, placed in an historical context.


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 Post subject: Re: The master of irrelevancy
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:28 am 
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France has just introduced a soda tax, expect that here soon. I think it was Shakespeare who said "there are tides in the affairs of men". We are in the middle of such a tide I'm afraid, bringing a whole rash of stupid legislation that will discredit the rule of law.


Stupid legislation it may be but it's rational where the government are concerned because it adds to the govenment coffers. It won't stop at fizzy drinks either, it's like they want to tax us out of existence.

The trouble is they have limited brain activity where extorting money from the taxpayer is concerned, they fail to realise that by the time they've taxed everything sold people will be so skint they won't be able afford to buy basic food stuffs let alone soda etc.,, thereby tax grabs will defeat the object, but trying telling the political elite that.

I think those that sold black market goods during the war, were called spivs, well look forward to an army of spivs.

Politicans & bureaucrats had more common sense when they were in the womb, somehow once exposed to fresh air it got addled.


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There's a point beyond which raising taxes does not increase revenue. As more small companies are blown away by taxes the dole queues grow.

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