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 Post subject: The guilty men
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:51 pm 
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There are very few occasions when I disagree with Dellers, but his eulogy of Peter Oborne and Frances Weaver and their "Guilty Men" pamphlet is one such occasion. We then have this ghastly pair in The Spectator grandly declaring:

Very rarely in political history has any faction or movement enjoyed such a complete and crushing victory as the Conservative Eurosceptics. The field is theirs. They were not merely right about the single currency, the greatest economic issue of our age — they were right for the right reasons. They foresaw with lucid, prophetic accuracy exactly how and why the euro would bring with it financial devastation and social collapse.

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 Post subject: Re: The guilty men
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:03 pm 
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I could not agree with you more and wrote a scathing comment on De La Pole's blog. One of the defining attributes of above the line people are they are principle free and only care about advancement and their own riches. So it is hardly surprising that those who kept their mouth shut previously when the whole crisis could have been averted are now claiming the moral high ground when the whole house of cards is tumbling.


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 Post subject: Re: The guilty men
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:54 pm 
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If you are a career politician your job, despite your downright lies to your constituents, is to scurry when the Whips are cracked, toe the Party line & stay motionless in the boat even as it is being dashed on the rocks of inevitability...so what's with the surprise.
Our lot of bums will always claim to have predicted the results they were never able to foresee in the first place...."See, what did I tell you!"
Echoes of History...I was never in the Party....and, echoes of History again, many will survive to be the trusted & wise leaders of whatever follows the coming debacle: oh yes!

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 Post subject: Re: The guilty men
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:23 pm 
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I am waiting for someone senior in the Tory Party to admit that breaking the party to sign Maastricht was a mistake, and that "the rebels" were right to oppose the treaty. I want to hear them say John Major was wrong to say the rebels should be taken away by men in white coats. I want the Tory Party to turn to John Major (and Clarke) and ask him to apologise for this mess.

Until they do that they cannot draw a line under what they set in motion.

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 Post subject: Re: The guilty men
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:27 pm 
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Julian Williams wrote:
I am waiting for someone senior in the Tory Party to admit that breaking the party to sign Maastricht was a mistake, and that "the rebels" were right to oppose the treaty. I want to hear them say John Major was wrong to say the rebels should be taken away by men in white coats. I want the Tory Party to turn to John Major (and Clarke) and ask him to apologise for this mess.

Until they do that they cannot draw a line under what they set in motion.


Not forgetting, of course, that Clarke is in the current government.

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 Post subject: Re: The guilty men
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:08 pm 
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…who boxed first Hague and then Blair into a corner, getting a commitment to a referendum before the UK could join the euro

John Major, no? It was 1996, the year before the election, wasn't it?

A dangerous myth peddled by Oborne's pamphlet is that "euroscepticism" is a preserve of the Tory party. The Labour Party has a much prouder tradition of opposition to "the project", though both parties are guilty of repeated crimes against democracy.

The pamphlet's subtext is: only the Tories can save you from the EU - look what they did over the euro - so you should continue to vote for them.


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 Post subject: Re: The guilty men
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Now it has become fashionable in the Tory Party and Press to be eurosceptic...couldn't this blog become europhile just to be awkward ? PDT_Armataz_01_22


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 Post subject: Re: The guilty men
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Jonathan wrote:
Now it has become fashionable in the Tory Party and Press to be eurosceptic...couldn't this blog become europhile just to be awkward ? PDT_Armataz_01_22

Does he need encouragement??

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:15 am 
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SandyRham wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Now it has become fashionable in the Tory Party and Press to be eurosceptic...couldn't this blog become europhile just to be awkward ? PDT_Armataz_01_22

Does he need encouragement??



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