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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:29 am 
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On the one hand, we have a report detailing how "incompetent" taxman are bullying the innocent, making entirely unwarranted threats which, MPs say, could undermine the whole taxation system.

On the other, we get this, a report that Sir Michael Barber, a former aide to Tony Blair, has been paid an "obscene" £5,505 a day to advise the Government on doling out its vast foreign aid budget – with the added news that DFID has negotiated a discount. He is now working for a bargain £4,404 a day.

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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:43 am 

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These people are just as bad as all the other highly paid parasites such as those at the top of the tree in the 'char-i-dee' sector. Thing is, despite what the left may think and say, a lot of these parasites are socialists who believe it is great to spend other peoples' money. Why do these people think they deserve such a high sum for spending taxpayers' money on the Indian & Pakistani nuclear weapons programmes? Well as the useless government, just like the last useless government likes to spend spend spend on aid due to its self-loathing of everything British.

Off topic but have you seen this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... nduct.html

I say off topic, but then we have the likes of Pachauri, Jones (of UEA infamy) et al thieving off the public purse so they are just as parasitic.


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:18 pm 

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Also not unrelated is this reponse fom empty MP Mark Pritchard in response to the popular e-petitions that Parliament will have to debate. He said:

'This scheme is a gimmick. It is vacuous and meaningless. The Government already ignores debates and motions in Parliament that are inspired by backbench MPs.
'So what notice are they going to take of debates forced by petitions? Of course petitions are a legitimate and important part of democracy, but at the end of the day people have elected MPs to Parliament to represent them.
'Do we really want debates about UFOs or Big Brother?"

Actually, Markyboy(who was too important to move out of the way of another equally useless empty in the Westminster Home for the Bewildered; ooh, big boys' games), that is precisely what we want. Your complacent answer illustrates why fewer people vote at elections and few trust authority anymore. Use your position and make changes for the better. If you consider your judgement is better than your constituents', offer up your salary to a refendum.


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:26 pm 
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What is a reasonable level of vitriol is an interesting question.

If you are nice and decent and reasonable you just get ignored. So you have to be nasty to a certain extent. Targeting individuals is more effective than railing at organisations and bureacracies. With Ahmad I suppose the distinguishing feature is the amount of detail. He reportedly named the MPs, listed their addresses, posted a link to knives etc. Whereas most of us just mention attacking MPs in general terms.

The "left" has a long history of personal vitriol, "dancing on Thatcher's grave" and smearing tactics etc., so I take that as a cue for how vitriolic I can be. The question is - should I abide by my conscience and hold to a higher level of behaviour than my opponent?


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:40 pm 

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I have always made it a point that Tony Bliar and the others guilty of war crimes and genocide are entitled to a fair trial before being hung. Of course we have a legal duty, as signatories to the ICC among other things, to bring such criminals to justice and where the state refuses to do so the duty remains even if it involves less formal; methods. Not an advocation of anything merely a statement of the law as it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:56 pm 

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on improving Pakistan's education system over 45 days,


Any chance they might spend the money on the British education system?

What is it with these people and their obsession with other countries internal affairs?

Perhaps we should offer them a one way ticket to the third world s***hole of their choice. It would have to be cheaper than £4,000 per day?


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:52 pm 

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"Radical Muslim" Bilal Zaheer Ahmad – described by a Bristol Crown Court judge as "a viper in our midst" has been jailed for twelve years for calling for jihad against MPs."

That's quite a sentence isn't it ? Twelve years is pretty high considering the current sentencing guidelines. Of course the sentence was stiff - he was explicitly threatening MP's. A threat to MP's is a serious matter to our legal system. We know from previous experience that Muslim's threatening jihad against ordinary people, not MP's, get sentenced by magistrates and district judges to non custodial sentences. One ineffectual legal system for the populace and another severe system for protection of MP's, Ministers etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:26 pm 

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Good point Ivan.

On the main comment:

I just wonder what advice is worth £5K a day? I mean, who is this Michael Barber "aide to Tony Bliar" - imo, that would make this shill less competent rather than increasing his credibility [of which he has none].

Why do these idiots who infest the DfID need extra advice? Is it something to do with, an inability to splash the cash? Nah! It can't be...... and then there's oodles of time off too...........

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The aim of next month’s trip is to improve teamwork and review strategy in Afghanistan, where the DfID has spent more than £490million since 2001.

The department’s staff in Afghanistan enjoy extraordinary perks. They work for only 75 per cent of the time.

They are based in the country for blocks of six weeks, followed by a two-week "breather break" during which they can fly home at public expense.

This is in addition to six weeks’ holiday.


All done in our name, with the blessing of the PM, a Mrs Samantha Cameron.


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:49 pm 

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Ravenscar wrote:
Good point Ivan.

On the main comment:

I just wonder what advice is worth £5K a day?



Don't pay anyone £5K or more a day to do a job that should be done in-house with existing staff. If your existing staff really aren't capable get rid of the Human Resources (I remember when it was called Establishments) department and use the money saved to hire talent. That's my consultancy advice for which I'll waive my fee. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:57 pm 

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Scrap the whole department.
Next...

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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:44 pm 
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Scrap the whole department.
Next...

Yes, that's the obvious idea. The scrapping should be done properly though. We don't want to leave any room for mistakes here.

So, as for "Next", well, you could start by priming them with a nice bedtime story by Hans Christian Anderson. Then make a block appointment for them all with consultants at Breivik International Human Resources GBH. That would be my advice.



Brian, 'Establishments'? I don't think I've heard that one before. But maybe I have as there's something vaguely familiar about it. Anyway, was it the term used by public sector when Personnel was in vogue everywhere else?

But 'Human Resources'! What plugphckingugly speak.


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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:26 pm 
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Totally discombobulated!
Someone has to 'okay' these obscenities....Somebody has to say: "You're not worth a fraction of £5K but that's what I'm going to pay you." I don't blame the berk taking the dosh but rather the over-generous-with-our-money bastard flippantly giving it.
We need names, explanations & firings (squads preferably) PDT_Armataz_01_36

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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:36 pm 
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I like this concept of a "parasite Class". They do exist and there existance is well known but not much spoken about.

How about a series called "the parasite class" where you, or members of the forum, put together a list?

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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:32 pm 
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How about a series called "the parasite class" where you, or members of the forum, put together a list?
....do you have a remote HDD storage box? One Gig might be enough :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Not unrelated
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:28 am 

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Public sector workers need 'discipline and fear', says Oliver Letwin



http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011 ... ver-letwin




Yeeerrrse......


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