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 Post subject: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:14 am 
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Time magazine sums it up by stating that, in all probability most likely acted alone. To many, it says, "it may come as a relief that Breivik's claims of being just one of several killer cells in some wider conspiracy for global domination turns out to be nothing but a web of deception spun by a brutal killer".

But – and there always is a "but" - investigators and counterterrorism officials are not relieved. They fear that Breivik represents a new, potentially deadly paradigm shift in the world of extremist violence – the "Lone-Wolf Terrorist".

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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:46 am 

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Libertarian blogs are always going to be targeted, freedom of speech has been censored in the press [free press - what a joke!] and media [Al beebera - EU mouthpiece] ever since Bliar's lot entered Downing Street - the web had to be next, they were just waiting for a pretext to 'do a China'.

These ncuts don't need a reason and anyway, what is the EU doing sticking it's big neb into a sovereign state's affairs...............oh no don't answer that.


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:04 am 

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... and thus by their own actions they run the risk of creating more of these 'lone wolfs'. Duh!


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:13 am 

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You could almost have a certain bet that knees are jerking. Where are the grown ups? Breivik's murderous spree is something almost any individual could do with sufficient motivation.

The *last* thing you should do when there is a real potential for radicalising a horde of unconnected murderous bastards would be to start 'cracking down', 'getting to grips with' and all manner of anti-liberty minded operations as you will simply spawn more radicals. These will be false solutions to phantom problems.

Seeing lone wolves at every turn will lead to even greater paranoia in the people directing the security services than there already is and no amount of money or clamping down on freedom will ever prevent some kind of outrage from being perpetrated. Could be a train driver going mental at not being allowed to read a newspaper at the wheel (Lever? How do those things work?). A pilot taking his passengers on their last flight.(We've already had that haven't we? Not a hijack but a disgruntled pilot.) A lorry driver ploughing through a crowd on purpose. Park a combine on a railway line and leg it. Anything really. Yet most of us do not fret at this and nor do we hand over responsibility for our safety to the authorities for them to fret about this either. They have lost all sense of perspective.

Time and again after terror attacks we have investigations and inquiries and hand wringing about how mass murder was perpetrated upon the public. Lessons are learned. The media asks 'How did the State fail?' and the State merrily cracks down on liberty to address those concerns. Yet they aren't the concerns of the public or nobody would ever leave their houses lest some weirdy beardy in a dress (which covers a lot of bases) slit their throat or blow them up.

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Then we get the payoff line: "The importance of strengthening response capacity was another issue that was highlighted". It is that "response capacity" which the EU will be only too happy to provide ... another job for euro-plod.

As well as losing perspective they have lost sight of what is achievable. A more connected euro-plod will not lead to more rapid, thorough, correct responses during emergency situations. It will drag more and more talking heads into decision making processes which will slow them down as each voice tries to shirk their responsibility. It will codify inadequate and inflexible processes that when push comes to shove will be abandoned in favour of chaos.(see: banking and air traffic control) Boxes will be ticked. Expensive equipment bought. Private fortunes made as consultants at seminars, etc. Worst of all it will lull Governments and the public into a false sense of security.

I sometimes wonder if the desire to smother the public in security theatre stems not from wanting to control but from our representatives and betters being subjected to it themselves. They can't come and go as they please. People with guns are never far away. There is almost always someone watching them. Intrusive state security is something they have volunteered for and become conditioned to expect.


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:16 am 
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When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard. - Sun Tzu

People like Breivik, Kaczinski and McVeigh act as they do because they feel trapped and that there is no way out -- broadly speaking, that their country has been taken away from them and there is nothing they can do about it, and that nobody is listening.

It's only the one in a million who takes violent action (the rest of us just emigrate, or take to drink), but that doesn't mean the anger is not there.

Even today, in a nostalgic Telegraph article about the re-release of The Lavender Hill Mob, the comments display a huge amount of frustration at the current state of the UK -- the police, Leftist bigotry (aka political correctness), immigration and so on.

I doubt whether any of those commenters will take up arms, but there is always going to be a small minority in society who refuse to live a life of 'quiet desperation'.


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:02 am 

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I imagine these lone wolves have sprung up through history and will continue to spring up regardless. Remember that bomber a few years back in London, let off satchels packed with nails in a gay bar, an immigrant area and somewhere else that escapes me.

He had pretty much the same idea as this guy (I read a book by one of the investigating officers a few years back) that his actions would light the touchpaper that would set off a civil war in the UK.

Clamping down on liberty is the last thing we should be doing in response to any perceived lone wolf threat. But then it has nothing to do with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:12 am 

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No comment, Gareth, you said it all, well done!

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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:24 am 
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Rick Bradford wrote:
It's only the one in a million who takes violent action (the rest of us just emigrate, or take to drink), but that doesn't mean the anger is not there.

There is such an undercurrent of anger in our society now, it would not surprise me if the one in a million becomes an awful lot higher. The state can deal with the "organised" resistance, the lone wolf they cannot. It scares the piss out of them.

Excellent post by Gareth as well, say's it all really.


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:28 am 

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There are undoubtedly some unconnected murderous bastards, but do not underestimate the background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vpkmoZ ... r_embedded


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:31 am 
Here's Indect:

http://www.indect-project.eu/

And, as posted the other day:

"Journey with us to a state where an unaccountable panel of censors vets 95 per cent of citizens’ domestic internet connections. The content coming into each home is checked against a mysterious blacklist by a group overseen by nobody, which keeps secret the list of censored URLs not just from citizens, but from internet service providers themselves. And until recently, few in that country even knew the body existed. Are we in China? Iran? Saudi Arabia? No – the United Kingdom. This month, we ask: Who watches the Internet Watch Foundation?"*

You won't be surprised to hear that the chief exec of the Internet Watch Foundation is a "graduate" of C*mm*n P**pose, and that his outfit is "co-funded by the European Union" (with our money, since the EU has none of its own): http://www.iwf.org.uk

Not all ISPs are signed up to the IWF. You still have some choice.

* http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive ... e-internet


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:07 am 

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Short of shutting down the entire Net there is no way of stopping discontent being discussed and the Net is too vital to all commerce now to be closed down.

They'll just have to live with it, or do the sensible thing and change their own ways, because they now have millions of people watching their behavior and ready to expose it.


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:48 pm 

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They should be scared. The thing about a "lone wolf terrorist" is that he can't be found before he does something because there is no organisation to be penetrated.

Even most Moslem siucide bombers have a netwrok of about 10 people per bomber supplying the bombs and keeping up morale. Breivik is clearly an adult inteligent self motivated person.

As the world changes it is possible for a technically informed person to do an ever increasing amount of damage. Hacking is one such.I can think of others.

Calls for more censorship to stop potentials getting ideas won't work because the very fact of government censorship (even more than the Beeboids already do) is bound to encourage any intelligent person to hate the government.

Scary and not just for governments because not all of them will be as carefully targeted as Breivuk's.


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:08 pm 

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Never let a good crisis go to waste huh. When Norway's PM was talking about having more democracy, I was thinking, hey is he talking about a referendum on Norwegian EU membership? For surely what better way to get more democracy is to join the European Union :)


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:42 pm 

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Isn't this sort of attack on page one, chapter one of 'How to attack a Government'?

Standard stuff really - Commit the most atrocious act on society, sit back and let the government ramp up its security. Let the press hooha die down and in a few weeks time do it again, only worse... Now we sit back and let the government machinery go into overdrive with the sort of increased security that dramatically reduces an individuals personal liberty and freedom and generally p1sses everyone off. Now we turn the press onto the oprressive, corrupt and anti libertarian government and standby while civil unrest starts to ferment. Cue a bit of leadership and away we go. Freedom! or is it???


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 Post subject: Re: Always a reason
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:58 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote -

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the threat to our freedoms arising from the Breivik affair



It's not just the Breivik affair that's a threat to our freedoms. Innocent people will still have their DNA retained on a database and for no good reason. The coalition would like us to think this is because of some technical reason. Not true. In Scotland this data is not kept.


Also don't forget the Intercept Modernisation Programme,

HERE


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