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 Post subject: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:19 pm 
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To absolutely no one's surprise, the Greek parliament has voted for the austerity package necessary to qualify for the latest round of the EU/IMF bale-out. By this means, the political classes have looked after their own interests, and condemned their country to a lingering death.

We now wait to see how the people react. So far, the violence looks pretty uncoordinated and the police seem to be coping with it. They do not seem to have been seriously challenged.

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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:25 pm 

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the Greek parliament has voted for the austerity package ... the political classes have looked after their own interests, and condemned their country to a lingering death.

The antithesis of the famous "Oxi ".

Το "Ναι" του Παπανδρέου.


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:51 pm 

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Is my memory playing tricks again or do I remember that have been other recent uprisings uprisings in countries bordering on the Mediterranean?

I'm sure that it was customary for our media to report that these popular uprisings were a direct consequence of genuine economic hardship and entrenched, corrupt, undemocratic, and despised ruling regimes.

Why do they appear to take a different line with the current Greek crisis?


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:58 pm 
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Sceptical Steve wrote:
Is my memory playing tricks again or do I remember that have been other recent uprisings uprisings in countries bordering on the Mediterranean?

I'm sure that it was customary for our media to report that these popular uprisings were a direct consequence of genuine economic hardship and entrenched, corrupt, undemocratic, and despised ruling regimes.

Why do they appear to take a different line with the current Greek crisis?



Wrong side of the Med, I guess ... this side, everyone's a democrat, doncha know.

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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:34 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
Sceptical Steve wrote:
Is my memory playing tricks again or do I remember that have been other recent uprisings uprisings in countries bordering on the Mediterranean?

I'm sure that it was customary for our media to report that these popular uprisings were a direct consequence of genuine economic hardship and entrenched, corrupt, undemocratic, and despised ruling regimes.

Why do they appear to take a different line with the current Greek crisis?



Wrong side of the Med, I guess ... this side, everyone's a democrat, doncha know.


Ban ki Moon said, in his best English, "Governments must listen to the people, no violence to get them off the street", he was referring to Tunisia and Egypt at the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:44 pm 

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The police who are protecting the Greek Politicians are also likely to have their pension cropped back in these latest measures, so it's not far from the tipping point right now. There are tens of thousands of protesters, the number needs to rise to hundreds of thousands and there will be a result.


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:48 pm 

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One member of Papandreou's ruling socialist party voted "no" - offset by and MP from the conservative opposition, who voted "yes" - whence the speaker informed members that the socialist had been expelled from the party.


Democracy in action is a beauty to behold.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:53 pm 
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One member of Papandreou's ruling socialist party voted "no" - offset by and MP from the conservative opposition, who voted "yes" - whence the speaker informed members that the socialist had been expelled from the party.


Democracy in action is a beauty to behold.


You are always free to disagree ... but there is a price to pay!

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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:00 pm 
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Richard... I know you don't like UKIP, but here is a little vid of one of their lesser known (and pretty inarticulate MEP's) John Bufton Tufton, eliciting a response from Mr. Brezhnev, Mr. Kosygin, and Mr. Podgorny...

http://tinyurl.com/65qp88j

All that's missing is the botox...

Ooh errr Missus...


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:20 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
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You are always free to disagree ... but there is a price to pay!


Absolutely, and it is to be expected that might will be used by those in power, especially if they feel threatened. I was reacting to those other 154 bent backs.....one example was enough to get them in line. Not quite the Spartans of old, are they, but then again, they will have a guaranteed income for the next 6 to 12 months....and then we'll see.

BTW here is the hypocrisy of the day (maybe even the week, one dares not hope for longer):

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The world's most insolvent bank, Belgium's Dexia of course, is happy to bring this message of solidarity with the disenfranchised people of Greece who will be a fund flow conduit to keep Dexia alive for 3-6 months, via its subsidiary, the European Council: "With today's approval by the Greek Parliament of the revised economic programme, the country has taken an important step forward along the necessary path of fiscal consolidation and growth-enhancing structural reform. But it has also taken a vital step back – from the very grave scenario of default. This was a vote of national responsibility."


Data from UBS:

Exposure by bank to Greece



Bank____Country_____€m_____% of equity_____% of total assets
Dexia___Belgium___3,470________39_____________1

(Relatively to equity the most exposed bank outside Greece and Cyprus. Dexia has already been bailed out once by the Fed via QE2.)


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:51 pm 

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A good remedy for tear gas is antacid

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The medical volunteers in Athens have been arming themselves with the stuff (normally used to combat indigestion) to help people deal with teargas.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... -live.html


Get some shares in Alka Seltzer before they go through the roof. PDT_Armataz_01_34

They also have some nice pics of the Greek Finance Ministry going up in smoke.....wonder if the antacid tablets help with putting out fires?


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
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Greece votes for delay default until 2012
http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/06/greec ... until.html


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:54 pm 

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So, Greekies, which would you prefer, the death of a thousand cuts or crucifixion: you pays us your money and we'll give you our choice!


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:07 pm 

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A group of around 20 protesters hurled bottles and a chair at Alexandros Athanassiadis, a PASOK MP who originally had intended to vote down the austerity measures but who backtracked and voted in favor. Athanasiadis was attacked while being escorted by police officers from the parliament building. A police spokesman said the MP did not get injured in the attack.


Hmmm....the market for armour plated cars will be booming in Athens.


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 Post subject: Re: Voting for oblivion
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:06 pm 
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Hmmm....the market for armour plated cars will be booming in Athens.

With ν-shaped hulls maybe — something nu to contend with?

The regular Greeks have a real problem on their hands. I strongly suggest they use the Alexander solution — the one he employed on the Gordian knot.

Turn right, plan ahead and get busy, Hellenes. Lots of heads to roll. Chop chop!


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