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 Post subject: This can't possibly be true
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:43 pm 
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The [Wikileaks] files help to explain American anger towards the British authorities, who have been regularly accused of failing to tackle radicalisation in this country. They show how Muslim men travelled to European countries such as France, from where they obtained fake EU passports. They then crossed the channel to take advantage of Britain's generous asylum system.

Extremist preachers radicalised the men at London mosques, showing them videos of atrocities committed against Muslims in Bosnia and Chechnya. According to one document, Finsbury Park mosque was "a key transit facility for the movement of North African and other extremists in London to and from al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan".

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:20 am 

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I should be shocked but l'm not. The HOC must be the safest place in the world from terrorist attack ... it's their headquarters!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:30 am 

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You're OK so long as you don't; pooh on our patch was the Met's/MI5 meme and Londonistan became the fundo's capital and the beeb has a hand in it too, who else?.....And don't forget Ken Livingstone's oleaginous cosying up to these anti-Western [Christian] civilisation zealots.

But hey Blair was fighting two wars agin this lot, he forgot the impending one on home soil and Dave is burying his head in the sand too - don't upset the LIBERAL DHIMMIS - for heavens sake!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:36 am 
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Maybe the American's can apologise for arming the IRA against us?


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 Post subject: Re: This can't possibly be true
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:59 am 

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Too funny. Just finishing off Mark Steyn's "America Alone", preceded by Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" (that was my holiday reading), preceded by Melanie Phillips Londonistan and "The World turned Upside Down"

Do you think there is any hope for me?

PS The North books are next on the list, honest guv.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:28 am 
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scrasea wrote:
Do you think there is any hope for me?


We're domed.

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Stuart wrote:
Maybe the American's can apologise for arming the IRA against us?


Only when we've apologised for burning down the White House.

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 Post subject: Re: This can't possibly be true
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:44 am 

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The thing is, if it wasn't from you, those words could almost be a government statement on the matter!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:48 am 

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The question is, now that the facts can't be ignored will anything change? I don't think they will because the rot in our public bodies is too deep and too widespread. I think you are correct, Richard, we are doomed.


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 Post subject: Re: This can't possibly be true
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:16 am 
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john in cheshire wrote:
The question is, now that the facts can't be ignored will anything change? I don't think they will because the rot in our public bodies is too deep and too widespread. I think you are correct, Richard, we are doomed.


Domed ... which is even worse. But we can attempt to recover the ground: hope springs eternal, and all that. The problem is not the government, but the people ... the Volks. These things are done in our name because we let them happen. We have now the means to argue our case, and distance ourselves from those who would purport to speak or act in our name. We can use those means, or go under.

And in this context, the use of Volks is quite deliberate. This reflects Hitler's understanding of the roots of power, which he successfully exploited in his attempt to take over Germany, and which eventually destroyed him. Power stemmed from the Volks, he argued, and by asserting that he spoke for, and represented the Volks, he claimed a legitimacy over and above the established institutions.

Politicians will always try the same trick ... Cameron will seek to claim that he speaks for the nation, even though he failed to win the popular vote, and has no mandate. This is what the cries for "unity" are all about. And alongside that, are the attempts to fragment the opposition, so that their voices come over louder and clearer.

The very act of denial, however, destroys their legitimacy ... if enough of us say so, loud enough and often enough, that what they are doing does not have our approval, it does in fact rob them of their ability to act. We have more power than we think we have ... but it is only effective if we understand that, and use it wisely.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:38 am 

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Slightly off topic to the discussion, but has anyone noticed how despite the obvious left leaning beliefs of the people who support wikileaks, almost everything of substance that comes to light via them seems to support a more right wing viewpoint.

This information clearly suggests that we need to crack down on illegal (and end much of the legal) immigration and start kicking people who preach sedition out of the country. The whole "it's our intolerance that's the problem" attitude just doesn't stand up to this kind of information.

Anyone think that was Michael Moore's view when he put up bail money for Julian Assange?

Bets on how long before someone claims wikileaks is a CIA front?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:49 am 
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FatCaveman wrote:
Slightly off topic to the discussion, but has anyone noticed how despite the obvious left leaning beliefs of the people who support wikileaks, almost everything of substance that comes to light via them seems to support a more right wing viewpoint.

This information clearly suggests that we need to crack down on illegal (and end much of the legal) immigration and start kicking people who preach sedition out of the country. The whole "it's our intolerance that's the problem" attitude just doesn't stand up to this kind of information.

Anyone think that was Michael Moore's view when he put up bail money for Julian Assange?

Bets on how long before someone claims wikileaks is a CIA front?


Oh, they are already doing that ... tool of the Israelis, doncha know.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/25 ... es-whacky/

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 Post subject: Re: This can't possibly be true
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:58 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
FatCaveman wrote:
Slightly off topic to the discussion, but has anyone noticed how despite the obvious left leaning beliefs of the people who support wikileaks, almost everything of substance that comes to light via them seems to support a more right wing viewpoint.

This information clearly suggests that we need to crack down on illegal (and end much of the legal) immigration and start kicking people who preach sedition out of the country. The whole "it's our intolerance that's the problem" attitude just doesn't stand up to this kind of information.

Anyone think that was Michael Moore's view when he put up bail money for Julian Assange?

Bets on how long before someone claims wikileaks is a CIA front?


Oh, they are already doing that ... tool of the Israelis, doncha know.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/25 ... es-whacky/


I should have known! It's the joos.

There are some VERY strange articles about Zionist conspiracies around, but suggesting that Israel is planning nuclear strikes against Europe is odd even by the usual standards of internet anti-semitic rambling.


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 Post subject: Re: This can't possibly be true
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:42 pm 

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There must be a reason why British pols and the police allow this to continue. Here are my suggestions:

1) It burns the Americans
2) There is a "live and let live" understanding with the Muslim extremists
3) If they're against Israel, they are perceived as allies

That said, this is a dangerous game. At what point do the Islamists and their leftist allies become a threat to British democracy, such as it is?

The last note: the Americans have said that someone at the BBC was helping al Queda. They essentially accused the BBC of being an Islamist propaganda network. Also, there were four British double agents held at Guantanamo. Who were these people and how trusted were they by British intelligence? Can any Muslim agents be trusted?


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 Post subject: Re: This can't possibly be true
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:27 pm 
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British intelligence has long had links to the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda in Libya. CIA set up Al Qaeda. Qaeda-Linked Imam Dined at Pentagon after 9/11

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Anwar al-Awlaki - the radical spiritual leader linked to several 9/11 attackers, the Fort Hood shooting, and the attempted Christmas Day bombing of an airliner - was a guest at the Pentagon in the months after 9/11, a Pentagon official confirmed to CBS News.

Awlaki was invited as "...part of an informal outreach program" in which officials sought contact "...with leading members of the Muslim community," the official said. At that time, Awlaki was widely viewed as a "moderate" imam at a mosque in Northern Virginia.


The bureaucratic minions in the US who believe their job is to control terrorism may be upset but those at the top who are dining with them probably think this is just how things should be. Without Western funding and protection of radical Islamist terrorist groups and regimes (Saudis) there would be no excuse to keep the so-called "free" world on a permanent war-footing.

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