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 Post subject: The real Dave stands up
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:40 am 
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Euroslime Dave is pleading "frustration" at having to support the EU bailout scheme, complaining that he was dropped in it by Labour, and will now have to find billions to bail out Portugal.

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 Post subject: Re: The real Dave stands up
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:51 am 
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Um, does the documents in this blog show that there was cross party consensus, i.e. Georgie boy & Davey Boy had agreed to it anyway?

http://callingengland.blogspot.com/2011 ... ut-eu.html

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A sovereign nation is never bound by treaties ... only by their leaders.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:31 am 
What makes it worse is that the decision to form these bail-out funds was made in a Eurogroup meeting on the Friday (at which the UK was not represented as it wasn't one of the then 16 eurozone members). Two days later the matter was voted on in Ecofin (which is all countries' finance ministers, including lame-duck Darling) under QMV rules but it was always a foregone conclusion.


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 Post subject: Re: The real Dave stands up
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:37 am 
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Um, does the documents in this blog show that there was cross party consensus, i.e. Georgie boy & Davey Boy had agreed to it anyway?

http://callingengland.blogspot.com/2011 ... ut-eu.html


Um .... ? As far as I can see, the document precisely supports the claim that there was cross-party consensus, thereby making Cameron and Osborne out to be liars.

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 Post subject: Re: The real Dave stands up
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:08 am 

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What will it take, the EU parking tanks on Trafalgar Square, a no fly zone over the UK, Betty Windsor flying the EU flag over Buck House?

Have we, as a nation, lost our desire to stand up for ourselves?
Perhaps we cant remember what it is like to be free and sovereign. Perhaps we just cannot be "arsked" anymore.
With all the evidence, with all the financial pain, the just daft diktats, the slimy pretense of governance , with the submission of our laws and rights, we just do not seem to give a toss.
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Then we get this, a traitor who is blatantly dishonoring his oath without any fear what so ever.

Euro court rulings ARE the law, says our top judge

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Last updated at 12:36 AM on 29th March 2011

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No nonsense: Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge said that the Human Rights Act meant British judges must follow the decisions set down in Strasbourg, 'no more and no less'

No nonsense: Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge said that the Human Rights Act meant British judges must follow the decisions set down in Strasbourg, 'no more and no less'

Rulings by the European human rights court are the law of the land in Britain, England’s most senior judge declared yesterday.

Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge said that the Human Rights Act meant British judges must follow the decisions set down in Strasbourg, ‘no more and no less’.

His intervention came at a time of high tension between Westminster and the court in Strasbourg over the right of prisoners to vote.

Last month MPs voted overwhelmingly to reject the demand by European human rights judges that prisoners should have the vote, insisting that it is a matter for Parliament.

But Lord Judge’s opinion will pile pressure on David Cameron to find a compromise.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:32 am 

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FFS, I'm going back to bed.

Buyer must collect: Ark Royal posted for sale on auction website

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She is the Navy’s former flagship, a symbol of Britain’s proud maritime history.

But after sailing the world’s seas for a quarter of a century, the HMS Ark Royal is suffering an undignified end – being put up for sale on an eBay-style auction website and possibly becoming scrap metal.

Potential buyers with several million pounds can snap up the aircraft carrier from the Ministry of Defence website.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1HyXcur7X

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:00 am 

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FFS, I'm going back to bed.

Buyer must collect: Ark Royal posted for sale on auction website

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She is the Navy’s former flagship, a symbol of Britain’s proud maritime history.

But after sailing the world’s seas for a quarter of a century, the HMS Ark Royal is suffering an undignified end – being put up for sale on an eBay-style auction website and possibly becoming scrap metal.

Potential buyers with several million pounds can snap up the aircraft carrier from the Ministry of Defence website.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1HyXcur7X


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Largs Bay only 5 years old and up for sale.
Harrier fleet retired
Three Type 45's up for sale
Invincible under tow to Turkey
HMS Cumberland & HMS London on station off Libya but due to be scrapped when they return home
The RAF running out of Typhoon pilots
Two carriers without planes under construction one of which may be mothballed on completion
The Tornado fleet having its flying hours clock run down that bit faster
Chinooks for Afghanistan all but cancelled
Military personnel being laid off
Military civil servants unaffected

I wish I could put it all down to rank stupidity and governmental incompetence but it looks for all the world like this bunch are serving us up to their masters in return for a crock of gold.

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 Post subject: Re: The real Dave stands up
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:07 am 

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Is cast iron a really crafty operator [maybe] or just as thick as two short planks [probably]?

If he is thick and has the attention span of a gnat, then I suppose he needs help but one has to ask the question, "how the hell did he become PM?"

But then.........

The Vichy Tories and the EU elite must think he's a perfect stooge, just how they want it.

Yup.


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 Post subject: Re: The real Dave stands up
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Is cast iron a really crafty operator [maybe] or just as thick as two short planks [probably]?

If he is thick and has the attention span of a gnat, then I suppose he needs help but one has to ask the question, "how the hell did he become PM?"

But then.........

The Vichy Tories and the EU elite must think he's a perfect stooge, just how they want it.

Yup.


Dave is the third in a series of patently traitorous PM's we have had over the last 14 or so years. Previously, it was all so much more discreet. These people are not incompetent. They are focused, determined, well funded, utterly ruthless, ambitious, with a common purpose. They use our democracy to enfeeble us, confuse us, thieve, slash and burn any opposition. They have their agenda and can count us to be led into whatever they have planned without much inconvenience.

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 Post subject: Re: The real Dave stands up
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Dave is the third in a series of patently traitorous PM's we have had over the last 14 or so years. Previously, it was all so much more discreet. These people are not incompetent. They are focused, determined, well funded, utterly ruthless, ambitious, with a common purpose. They use our democracy to enfeeble us, confuse us, thieve, slash and burn any opposition. They have their agenda and can count us to be led into whatever they have planned without much inconvenience.


You're forgetting John Major, the man who signed Maastricht without even knowing what was in it. Nothing discreet about that. That's four traitors in a row.


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 Post subject: Re: The real Dave stands up
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:42 pm 
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Have we, as a nation, lost our desire to stand up for ourselves?
Perhaps we cant remember what it is like to be free and sovereign. Perhaps we just cannot be "arsked" anymore.
With all the evidence, with all the financial pain, the just daft diktats, the slimy pretense of governance , with the submission of our laws and rights, we just do not seem to give a toss.


Remember all the Earls, merchants & burghers have already bowed donw.

That's our problem. The Normans have ambition and a steely resolve, made stronger by the riches of conquest.

Even more disheartenting was the ever more evident reality that the great majority of the Englsh simply lack the will to resist Norman occupation. Most of the English have the look of a beaten people and are resigned to their fate.

Replace the Normans (William the Bastard) with (Van Rompey the Bastard) the EU and it just about sums up what's happened to us now.


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What clearer demonstration could there be that you are either part of the EU or you are not? If you are in it, you are part of an organisation which makes much of rules and regulations, but feels free to alter the rules on the fly as it suits it. Bailouts were excluded by previous treaties and the Greek bailout had to be passed off as a natural disaster. If you don't like being part of such a club the only option is to resign.

The main thing keeping the EU show on the road is the web of corruption it's spread via non-jobs and pensions. Isn't one of the civil servants who negotiated the bailout deal off to serve as EU Ambassador for the UK? It doesn't require any ideological belief in the EU, just narrow self-interest.

Cameron is not to be trusted - actually he is - he can be trusted to go the way of the EU, regardless of whatever words he comes out with. He just has a particularly fractious herd to cope with and has to resort to lies, half truths and evasions which are becoming ever more obvious. However, it's clear that any PM who wanted to do anything about something like the bailout would have to face all these bought and paid for interests, and they would fight dirty. One way or another, not going along with the bailout would mean getting out of the EU and all those sinecures and handouts would vanish. Unless he was very skilful he wouldn't be PM for long. Apart from sheer grit and remarkable political cunning, getting out of the EU would require a clear vision of what came after. I don't think Cameron's vision amounts to much more than getting to be called PM and staying called PM for as long as possible, and therefore he's not going to allow the EU boat to be rocked at any cost.

The Darling/Osborne "stitch up" story shows that Lib/Lab and Con are all pretty much in agreement and we see a bit of stage sword fighting from time to time.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:59 pm 
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The Darling/Osborne "stitch up" story shows that Lib/Lab and Con are all pretty much in agreement and we see a bit of stage sword fighting from time to time.


That's about the size of it ... and the media lovingly reports the theatre ... completely unaware (or uncaring) that it's not real.

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All this fuss about who said what to who?And the end result that it makes not one shred of difference as we lost the vote on QMV anyway.We are reduced to arguing whether abstention is better/worse than outright voting against.The fact that we should not have QMV on such financial matters seems to have escaped attention.

The Guardian piece reveals the nitty gritty

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The then chancellor told Osborne that he would keep Britain out of the main element of the €750bn bailout mechanism, which would be funded by eurozone members. But Darling said he could not stop Britain from facing liability for a share of the smaller €60bn element of the bailout because that would be decided by qualified majority voting. That meant Britain had no veto.


Why was that?

How are we excluded from the full 750 bn euro funding?Which as far as I can tell hasn't even been finally agreed yet?What's to stop us being railroaded into that too as and when the time comes, on the same basis.The bailout funding seems to be implemented on a piecemeal (as is required)basis,and if we didnt get a veto on this first 60 bn euro tranche how do we escape liablity for the rest,as and when it arises?


More importantly WHO decides what issue has QMV ?


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