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 Post subject: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:26 pm 
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Huge numbers of Britons would support an anti-immigration English nationalist party if it was not associated with violence and fascist imagery, according to the largest survey into identity and extremism conducted in the UK. This is according to a Populus poll, reported by The Observer.

It finds that 48 percent of respondents answered their questions in such a way as they could be construed as being willing to consider supporting a new anti-immigration party committed to challenging Islamist extremism.

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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
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Yesterday an interview in a Dutch paper was published about Geert Wilders aspirations to create a European edition of his anti-immigration, anti Islam party to stop the EU policies.

It could work although I think his party should also address the Climate change scam that is currently set to bankrupt our countries.

We desperately need to break with the UN, the EU and it's Green Globalist Environmental Agenda.
Anything else is nothing more but a waist of valuable time.


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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:25 pm 

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I can't see that Dave woyuld have any problem with passing a law saying the Union Jack or St George flag should fly from all public buildings. It seems to me to be exactly the sort of PR stunt which he so much prefers to actually doing anything.

In defence of thje BNP it should be pointed out that they opposed both criminal wars against Yugoslavia & Iraq. Since the Yugoslav ones in particular were fought to put unrepentent Nazis committed to genocide, the older of whom had been in the SS, in charge of Croatia, Bosnia & Kosovo at worst the BNP cannot be accused of being 100th as supportive of real Nazi violence as the Lab/Lib/Con parties. This is enhanced by the fact that the BNP are the only party to have publicly criticised the fact that the KLA, appointed by us as our "police" were allowed to dissect 1300 Serbs, while still alive, to steal their body organs. Sometimes the real fascists don't admit who the villains are.


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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:30 pm 
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I thought we already had a nationalist party, called the United Kingdom Independence Party.


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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
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Such parties are not tainted with racism and violence as a result of what they do or say. They are so tainted, in the absence of any evidence, by the mere fact of their existence. At least as far as the media are concerned. You will not see a story about the EDL, for instance, without the whole panoply of smears. When their fairly articulate leader was interviewed on BBC2, the whole thrust was to smear. He was not allowed to state a fairly reasonable case about how things really are in some areas.

Likewise the recent treatment of Wilders in the documentary so tellingly titled 'The most dangerous man in Europe'. No attempt to examine the truth or otherwise of his statements. No mention that 'Fitna' was entirely constructed of soundbites from Islamic preachers and quotes from the Koran.

There is no way you could start such a party without the same things happening. The more reasonable you are the LESS likely to get a fair hearing, and the smears will be made, and violent anti-demonstrations at every meeting and so on. Not to mention the real danger of attracting actual racist entryists. The wets will do anything to keep you out.


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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:40 pm 
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Stuart wrote:
I thought we already had a nationalist party, called the United Kingdom Independence Party.


When UKIP has mad up its mind to be anything other than Farage's plaything, let me know. The thrust of my piece, though, was that we should rehabilitate nationalism ... I don't know where the "party" comes into this.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:41 pm 
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Such parties are not tainted with racism and violence as a result of what they do or say. They are so tainted, in the absence of any evidence, by the mere fact of their existence. At least as far as the media are concerned. You will not see a story about the EDL, for instance, without the whole panoply of smears. When their fairly articulate leader was interviewed on BBC2, the whole thrust was to smear. He was not allowed to state a fairly reasonable case about how things really are in some areas.

Likewise the recent treatment of Wilders in the documentary so tellingly titled 'The most dangerous man in Europe'. No attempt to examine the truth or otherwise of his statements. No mention that 'Fitna' was entirely constructed of soundbites from Islamic preachers and quotes from the Koran.

There is no way you could start such a party without the same things happening. The more reasonable you are the LESS likely to get a fair hearing, and the smears will be made, and violent anti-demonstrations at every meeting and so on. Not to mention the real danger of attracting actual racist entryists. The wets will do anything to keep you out.


Why think in "party" terms ... think outside the box ...

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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
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As you know, it's been my contention these many years that BNP, for example, continues to shoot itself in the foot by not putting its house in order....that could equally apply to EDL & UKIP.
All these organisations have established bases of people who literally want the best for this country, who seek real curbs & control on immigration, allowing in the productive & keeping out the primitives & freeloaders with their multiple wives & hoards of kids
Folk who want England (Britain, if you will). governed by the indigenous people of these islands.
Men & women who simply cannot come to terms with subservience to the unelected aliens in Brussels, so many of whom have a Marxist/leninist background which they don't even attempt to conceal......and Englishmen....Englishmen go along with this! it is really difficult to believe.
Although UKIP is another matter, any party standing on a Nationalist platform is, by its very nature, bound to attract racist rowdies & other undesirables...and that is the problem which BNP & EDL must sort out if they ever wish to attract electable membership & that is a monumental task; but not impossible.
BNP also has some loony socialists in its ranks whose presence dissuades those of a conservative bent from supporting it.
So, time for some serious house-cleaning....I've heard mentioned that Nick Griffin is part of the problem...I have no idea but, should this be so, he should step aside in the interests of unity & acceptability...and the good of his party & the country as a whole.
I would welcome the thoughts of Alan Aberdeen on this theme.
England deserves a powerful party devoted to freedom without the loony trappings of Socialism or the equally loony Fascist element.

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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:51 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
... Why think in "party" terms ... think outside the box ...

A loose association of independent candidates standing in every constituency on reasoned manifestoes of local and national long-term interests, unencumbered by the apparatus of party machinery, or the stigma of party membership.


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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:29 pm 

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The INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance which I helped start satisfies your ideas.

Check out - www.leave-the-EU.org.uk


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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:56 pm 

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WilliamGruff wrote:
RAENORTH wrote:
... Why think in "party" terms ... think outside the box ...

A loose association of independent candidates standing in every constituency on reasoned manifestoes of local and national long-term interests, unencumbered by the apparatus of party machinery, or the stigma of party membership.


I got the impression that the good Dr was thinking in terms of the 'tea party' movement.
I have another thought (perhaps from the realms of fantasy) - to colonise a small part of the UK and then declare UDI. It could be run a bit like the Isle of Man with their 10% tax rate or Switzerland with everything determined by referendi.
My brother had his own ideas: http://www.silverjubileestamps.com/myisland/
If the venture prooved sucessful, it could no doubt expand naturally to include the whole of the UK.


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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:59 pm 
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Parties encourage tribalism, personality contests and adherence to issues for the sake of strategy rather than utility. Parties push to the front lawyers who are good at speaking and arguing but are also venal and empty moral and intellectual vessels.

We should elect people on the basis of their honesty, convictions and understanding of issues. By "we" I mean an electorate of limited suffrage. No women under 30, and nobody else unable to pass a reasoning and social, economic and political knowledge test every five years.

I think technology is such that providing government for 50-60 million from one seat in London is ham-fisted. We should take some ideas from how the American or Swiss system should work. Get a President for international duties and allow the regions to express their own advantages and rule themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:36 pm 
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We should elect people on the basis of their honesty, convictions and understanding of issues. By "we" I mean an electorate of limited suffrage. No women under 30, and nobody else unable to pass a reasoning and social, economic and political knowledge test every five years.
.....writes therewasblight...& there's a lot of sense in there save for the bêtes noires females under 30, poor bitches. I've met brilliant women under 30....age is no yardstick for either of the sexes; as they say: A young fool is a good substitute for an old one.
It's very difficult to 'think outside the box' as Richard would have us do.,..even the various independent US Tea-Parties communicate with each other because not to do so would be downright stupid...but yes, the more 'local' government can be the better & having an understanding of the Swiss model would be a step in the right direction.
TWL: Has the 'right' one turned up yet? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:13 pm 

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TWL try a voting competence test/license, then you might find that women under 30 don't bother with it?
Can't say how many guys under 30 would bother either.

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 Post subject: Re: A nation of people
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:23 pm 

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Question is, will the MSM 'allow' the creation of right wing main stream party with a national, anti EU stance?
I don't have the impression the EDL is violent, except when attacked by muslims and left wing extremists (I might be wrong, I am not living in the UK), does the BNP advocate violence?


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