Learning how to rebel

RAENORTH · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:25 am

A long piece in The Daily Mail today argues that Labour's "open-door immigration policy" led to the largest population explosion since the Saxon invasion more than 1,000 years ago.

This is on the basis of an audit of official figures, which suggests that during the party's 13 years in power Britain’s foreign-born population increased by three million. At the same time, nearly a million British citizens left the country.

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therewaslight · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:39 am

RAENORTH wrote:

Either way, we have to learn how to stop being sorry for what we are – British, to take pride in it, and to make it mean something again. From small acorns do giant oaks grow ... our parents did it – they told the élites where to get off. We have to learn how do the same.

There is no British nation.

Britian was an Empire - run for and by the English-Scots class with German Royals that have run us into the new European Empire today.

Try again.

RAENORTH · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:46 am

therewaslight wrote:

RAENORTH wrote:

Either way, we have to learn how to stop being sorry for what we are – British, to take pride in it, and to make it mean something again. From small acorns do giant oaks grow ... our parents did it – they told the élites where to get off. We have to learn how do the same.

There is no British nation.

Britian was an Empire - run for and by the English-Scots class with German Royals that have run us into the new European Empire today.

Try again.

If I believe there was, and more to the point, if I believe there is a British nation, then there is one. Home, as they say, is where the heart is.

permanentexpat · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:00 am

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while the ruling classes were in a blue funk, skulking in their luxury bomb shelters in the Dorchester and Savoy.

Some of all classes skulked in shelters...and that was a low & unnecessary blow....and many of all classes were out at the sharp end; I know because I was there.
Elites are a pain in the rectum in any era but what we have now bears no resemblance to then, believe me.
Im sure you can cherry-pick & even name names...which one cannot do in considering the many thousands of non-elite who chose a safer life by skilful legerdemain; the birth of the 'spivs'.

TWB..........Britain was not the Empire; it was only the hub...and now we have neither.

Our unwanted & uninvited guests: integrate & conform or get the hell out & return to your original lands of provenance...one or the other.

Ravenscar · **Joined:** Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:12 pm **Posts:** 1441

My first observation has to be: these figures are complete guff.

This is a gross underestimation, we stopped [head] counting [incoming and departing] in the nineties - a Blue Labour decision. I've lived [most recently] in the M4 corridor, know the Midlands well and naturally, the North of England. These [woeful guesstimations] measley numbers are low and the authorities know this well......... to release a real count or truer estimate, would cause outcry.

Even mickey mouse nations like Morocco still count em in and out.
We aren't even [good enough to be called] a mickey mouse nation anymore - we are a province, is all.

A second thought is:

We even allow them, nay, encourage these infidels, to hate us, our ways traditions and culture and tolerance - how stupid is that?

And then:
The [ill] liberal left obscenely closed down all debate, seizing at every opportunity [the minute someone spoke out about this mass influx of unwanted peoples] to decry protesters, as, Racists!
I speak of [these decriers -who did the work of the Socialist, societal engineers admirably] Auntie of Al Jazeera, with [of course] the/our claque of numbskull cental/local government politicians, luvvie left [particularly comedians - I use the term loosely] and the Fourth Estate.

There most definitely is, a tangible Britain.

Sadly, the Union became weaker with the botched [deliberate?] devolution's of Wales and Scotland but as the nation sinks into the mire and becomes marginalised and 'changed' and deliberately done IMHO, the togetherness/nationhood is vanishing rapidly - accelerating enormously.............in the last thirteen years.

The Marxists have won, Bruxelles has won, Barroso and his scuzz-balls have won, and Dave and his gang of pewky geeks looks on, in admiration of Tony's work.

Niall Warry · **Joined:** Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:24 am **Posts:** 137

I agree with all you say.

It is for us, the people, to get back our country but I do believe for this to be effective we need a good leader to rally around.

Where is the next Jimmy Goldsmith I wonder?

What are you up to next week Richard!?

DerekReynolds · **Joined:** Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:41 pm **Posts:** 241

Well, Richard's post gave me a good feeling, Then reading the comments (excepting Niall Warry's) I became deflated and angry. Easily influenced I hear? Desperate to hear some positive thinking more like.

The Empire, as we all know, was a collection of lands gained not so much by invasion through force, but industrial manipulation by those seeking the resources. From the governments point of view it was not really an ideal situation: too much committment.

A Nation on the other hand is generally taken as the people within a country. But this is hair splitting over something larger than the body as a whole.
Get over it. We have too many of the wrong sort of people here. Wrong sort? IMMIGRANTS! Walk the streets of any large town and look and listen. We are an indiginous Mongrel Nation of peoples infected with Rabies. Get shot of it! There's far too much political correctness being bandied about when speaking of those from abroad coming here to better themselves. Let them better their own countries. This one is not a ***king liferaft for all and sundry - save previous governments calling: "This way to the boats".

Hard arse? Uncaring? Discriminating? Yep. But not against those who come, work alongside, live alongside, and adopt their foster nation with enthusiasm. Don't see a lot of that here. The rest - OUT!

Not Rocket Science · **Joined:** Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:39 pm **Posts:** 129

Abso-fricking-lutely, Richard. I see the bomb shelter mentality is still alive and well though, judging from some of the comments. PDT_Armataz_01_37

DodgyGeezer · **Joined:** Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:30 pm **Posts:** 527

I have just found out about the earthquake in NZ (from WUWT). This is a big hit for NZ. Given the relative sizes of the populations, it's easily the equivalent of the 9/11 attack for the US. And yet in the UK it's not on the BBC front pages at all.

I finally found a mention of it in the BBC Asia/Pacific pages - just a photo-montage with no comment.

I would like to assure our southern cousins that, though the UK state-run media seem to be ignoring your plight, our thoughts are with you and your loved ones, many of whom are our relatives and friends as well...

RAENORTH · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:41 am

Niall Warry wrote:

I agree with all you say.

It is for us, the people, to get back our country but I do believe for this to be effective we need a good leader to rally around.

Where is the next Jimmy Goldsmith I wonder?

What are you up to next week Richard!?

No ... we are not sheep who need a leader ... taking us to the sunlit uplands. That is the ruling class myth, the one that sustains the likes of Cameron. We, the people, are quite capable of deciding what we want and need to do. We don't need that nice Mr Camoron to tell us when to change our nappies.

thejones · **Joined:** Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:44 am **Posts:** 293

Please forgive if this is a no-sequitur but I feel it has a place. It is the very first comment/contribution to any public debate that I have made.

I remember being almost incoherent with rage when I was writing it.

Anyway, put the boot in as seen fit.

Quote:

*
Q&A with Gordon Brown

Your comment 20 September 2008 4:19PM

I personally doubt you will ever read this Prime Minister. However, as I very rarely feel moved to comment in a forum such as this and am not, generally, an 'activist' of any kind I will try to make my small contribution count.

What is the REAL agenda here PM? As someone who has never generally courted 'controversy' in his life, as a former serviceman who served in the first gulf war and now a qualified medical doctor I have led what could be considered a 'proper' life and one that contributes to the general good.That being the case then why do I feel an almost obscene sense of betrayal and a (righteous?) anger at what are, to my mind, very disturbing trends within British society?Especially in the context of the last few Labour years.

If it were just myself who had, somehow, completely misinterpreted the developments that I allude to above, then I would like to think that I have the insight to question myself and derive the correct (i.e. doctrinal?) answer.BUT, I have discovered that I am FAR from alone in this feeling of uneasiness.People generally have also been reduced to furtive whispers when discussing such concerns ( for fear of transgressing some draconian law or other).This will only generate extreme social stresses in the few years to come and unless (as I suspect ) you have a ready-made contingency to deal with these then civil strife is going to result.Hence my question about the real plan.You even have sentiments that I describe here within the ranks of the Police and Armed Forces themselves.

For my part Prime Minister it is with some sense of shame that I felt that I had no other option than to leave the United Kingdom and take my family with me with no intention of ever going back( I am in the company of hundreds of thousands).Shame because I consider myself privileged and proud to have been born and raised (for the first 40 years) in what was a great nation with few peers but have now turned my back on it.Shame also at being privileged enough to be able to do what so many many more in my home country cannot( they will sadly be the ones who will have to do the hard work to wrest the country back).It dirturbs so many that a rational debate on the social forces now at work within the country cannot be had without fear of some legal reprisal or other.

I am also distressed by the direction of the European 'project' currently feverishly underway.If people were allowed to understand more at what this entails they would see that it could only lead to a destruction of what being 'British' is.Disturbing Prime Minister, very disturbing.What is this about?

Any questions such as mine here can always, of course, be either ignored, deleted or otherwise, 'spun' away but that, in no way, reduces their power or validity.

So, to take me back to the beginning Prime Minister, what exactly is the real agenda here?.(I say this in recognition that you also very much have YOUR strings pulled too).If matters don't change very soon indeed I fear that the butchers bill will exceed even that of the pin-striped 'spivs' in the City of London.A bill that the aforementioned less privileged have also had to foot.

I thank you kindly for your anticipated lack of response, as a 'reinforcer' for my emerging beliefs about events it will work wonders.

See you (and spivs) at the audit.

Opinions please.

Stuart · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:59 am

Mass immigration is just another way to smash the nation state.

Jonathan · **Joined:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:52 pm **Posts:** 542

Although theoretically people can move in en masse on any Party and take it over by strength of numbers, The BNP hardcore genuinely does hate people who are not lily white in skin tone. Worse than that it hates Jewish people with Nazi passion (although it works overtime to conceal this).
It is such a tainted toxic brand that it is beyond salvation or rebranding EVEN with mass expulsions of the old leadership and the convicted violent criminals and thugs.
It also has strong Pagan links (despite its Christian veneer to fool the punters).
UKIP talks the right talk in the media BUT it is behind the scenes a very different dysfunctional party which has expelled or seen leave around 100 000 members (which is two and a half times the size of The LibDems and about half the size of the Tory Party).
These people still have the core beliefs but are wounded by involvement with this organisation.
They are looking for a Party to join and indeed to donate to.
The BNP is not an option for the vast majority.
Far better to form a Party called say The JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PARTY, or BLESS BRITAIN or WE LOVE BRITAIN or BELIEVE IN BRITAIN which emphasises love of this nation and its inhabitants. This is not about hatred of any other nation or indeed anyone. It is purely about being realistic about management of a manageable island rather than the impossible task of ruling a Continent or indeed the world from one administrative unit. It is about the impossibility of an island with huge debts, very limited resources and limited space attempting to house, feed, educate between 200 million and 6 billion people - as opposed to 60 million.
In fact there are only three ways to unite the world....volountary sincere devotion to Jesus Christ (which in the main will be rejected this side of The Second Coming), defence of the planet against external attack (aliens or asteroids...and the warmists may well try this scam next after global warming fails) and the present global warming scare scam to enslave the multitude under a global elite.
A new Party called say The Judeo-Christian Party (and let's separate the men from the boys by committing it up front to support for Israel in its founding document) could seize the active and latent support of The BNP and UKIP as well as the two dysfunctional Christian Parties (which under PR are still well on course to win seats in the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly this summer despite the egos, catfights, squabbles between them http://www.heraldscotland.com/christian ... h-1.841978 ).

FatCaveman · **Joined:** Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:58 pm **Posts:** 94

Who needs to take over the BNP? Let's just vote for them.

They are, if you look at their policies, a seriously scary hard left party. That's a good thing. Vote for them in large enough numbers that the Conservative party realises it's going to get it's arse kicked if they don't take some real action on immigration.

The ruling class can be defined in a broad sense as those politicians, civil servants, media, business and NGO interests who derive benefit and influence from an enlarged and activist state. They aren't going to do anything about this because they actively want a large client population beholden only to the state, or they don't care as long as they are in charge or even they care but not enough to risk their position by speaking out.

How many BNP MPs in Conservative or Labour strongholds would it take to change their minds? For that purpose we don't want a "taken over and civilised" BNP. The scarier the better!

oldrightie · **Joined:** Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 68

There is a steadily growing meme to ruin the census with humour and accurate information on the day, even though it is a one off activity on that day only. For example, 10,000 guests watching you fill in the form! PDT_Armataz_01_41

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