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 Post subject: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:08 am 
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Refuse disposal is one of those issues which I find seriously depressing – on several levels. On a professional level, trained and qualified in the arcane ways of managing Britain's waste, I find it offensive that our effective and economic systems have been destroyed, to be replaced by a shambolic mess.

At a second level, my status as a taxpayer kicks in, where it becomes doubly offensive to see the waste shambles set to cost us an additional £10 billion in set up and infrastructure costs, plus an additional £8bn a year to run, all for absolutely no gain – in fact, quite the reverse, a worse system. It is difficult to know what is more offensive – that it is to cost more, or that we get a worse system for the extra money.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:59 am 

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'Bin Shambles' could be the title of a book about our efforts in Afghanistan, or 'kin Shambles.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:46 am 
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Hopefully there are still some dormant landfill sites in which we can dispose of our traitrous elite.

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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:30 am 
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It is difficult to know what is more offensive – that it is to cost more, or that we get a worse system for the extra money.
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So, if we follow conventional method, follow the money... Where does it lead? Or is it about the money?

I cannot help but wonder: are such bad initiatives the product of willful and culpably ignorant tyros with no experience beyond a university, or the work of cunning and patient fifth columnists intent on engineering their enemy's downfall, or interference by unscrupulously greedy opportunists attempting to hobble their competition.

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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:04 am 

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When will our 'velvet glove, iron fist' revolution begin?

Mubarak's gone!....................... .

It's small wonder, that our EU cousins ( particularly the snail eaters) devoured our 'bush league' bunch of incompetents in all previous negotiations and treaties.

Sorting out this [land-fill directives etc] bollocks is simply beyond their collective cognizant abilities, ie, the ability, to reason and formulate the necessary will to, 'bin' this quite extraordinary bureaucratic nonsense.

"Cos it's all about savin' the poley bears innit!"
And hey man, "It's cool to be green", just ask chief ***kwit 'call me Dave'.

What chance does this nation have, when it is being run by such dilettantes, fops, mummies boys and jerk-offs, who couldn't run a p8ss up in a brewery?
Let alone a country.

Why do we tolerate such unbelievable twattery?

I have mentioned before, the local council, whose onerous dictatorial aegis I've to put up with have let it be known, that, in the girls knitting circle, aka, the environmental dept/refuse [to do owt with trash] dept............decided they needed a 750 mill' refuse/recyclin' centre......it's only a small collection of northern towns, yet it thinks:
1. It's NYC.
2. We need to save the world.
3. Money is no object, the Central government money tree will provide.

Fu*k me, what [another - they're all over the country of course] a set of meddling do-nowt, money grabbin' socialist re-engineering tossers..and that's being kind to em.


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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:00 am 
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We once had a refuse disposal system admired across the world, which made landfilling a public benefit, not something to be looked on as almost as evil as smoking. - Booker


Gosh... if Rosie gets wind of this Booker is gonna' get an ear full.

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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:40 am 
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So, if we follow conventional method, follow the money... Where does it lead? Or is it about the money?

Where there's muck, there's brass......


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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:41 pm 

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Also watch the negative aspects of waste burning.
Extreme dioxin levels polluting the land in the vicinity of the burning furnaces.
High dioxin levels are found in milk and meat from live stocks

The EU at any opportunity promotes measures to lower our wealth, living standards and health.

Maybe that's a convincing argument to kick out the hacks.

Agent Orange anyone?


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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:58 pm 
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rhaan wrote:
The EU at any opportunity promotes measures to lower our wealth, living standards and health.


The thing that interests me is: why are they so insistent? Are they children who cannot stand to be crossed? Or are they shrewd cut-throats who will stick at naught?

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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:08 pm 
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Bagua wrote:
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We once had a refuse disposal system admired across the world, which made landfilling a public benefit, not something to be looked on as almost as evil as smoking. - Booker


Gosh... if Rosie gets wind of this Booker is gonna' get an ear full.

PDT_Armataz_01_25



Go on you start me off, but I'm on it PDT_Armataz_01_22

I'm suprised at Booker, seeing as he & Dr North, I believe, wrote of the SHS myth in their book of scares.


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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:09 pm 
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Pluck wrote:
rhaan wrote:
The EU at any opportunity promotes measures to lower our wealth, living standards and health.


The thing that interests me is: why are they so insistent? Are they children who cannot stand to be crossed? Or are they shrewd cut-throats who will stick at naught?

They are people who can only feel good about themselves when they are telling other people what to do, which almost always involves bringing everyone down to the same low level (see Education, Relentless Dumbing Down Of).

They are children in that their main driver is emotion, but they have the shrewdness to create plausible cover stories for their controlling behaviour.


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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:16 pm 
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The thing that interests me is: why are they so insistent? Are they children who cannot stand to be crossed? Or are they shrewd cut-throats who will stick at naught?

An American Thinker piece at http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/ ... resid.html by John B Parrott entitled "Taking Down the Harvard President" includes the following insight:
in American Thinker, John B Parrott wrote:
Hannah Arendt describes how believing "consciousness" an avenue to knowing is fraught with peril. In her The Life of the Mind she discussed how "while perceiving an object outside myself I decide to concentrate on my perception on the act of seeing instead of the seen object, it is as if I lost the original object, because it loses its impact on me." In concentrating on perception, she changes her focus away from the object at hand and deals merely with her impression of the object, and in so doing knowledge is deprived of its realness and becomes only image. To use one's mind in such a fashion, Arendt says, amounts to "withdrawing mentally from everything that is present and close at hand," and that "'consciousness' becomes a full substitute for the outside world presented as impression or image." In such a state the person becomes a "new entity" that exists "in complete independence and sovereignty" and defensive against realities that threaten his own subjectivities. Arendt calls all of this the "bracketing" of reality, or the "getting rid of it by treating it as though it were nothing but mere ‘impression.'" She says it "has remained one of the great temptations of the 'professional thinkers.'"

... one of the great temptations of the 'professional thinkers'. A condign judgement indeed, and one which may with justice be applied to our masters.


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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:50 pm 
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Rick Bradford wrote:
They are people who can only feel good about themselves when they are telling other people what to do, which almost always involves bringing everyone down to the same low level (see Education, Relentless Dumbing Down Of).


Believe you are right. Know many of that sort. Without actually understanding anything they talk about, which I must forgive, they insist that things must be done just as they say (harder to forgive). Most of the time, they are merely parroting things that they have been told that all good little children should believe.

I never detected any sure signs of shrewdness: just wondered why their dictates should have any force. It is dismaying when ignoramuses carry the day when more than sufficient information is apparently at hand to silence them.

I suppose the problem is that most people aren't deep thinkers. They don't want to take the effort to think and, to top it off, they don't want to break from the herd. So, I guess that they are easily led-off. Too willing to be domesticated, unwilling to see and think for themselves perhaps.

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 Post subject: Re: Even our rubbish is rubbish
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:14 pm 
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... one of the great temptations of the 'professional thinkers'. A condign judgement indeed, and one which may with justice be applied to our masters.


I am probably displaying my ignorance here but, on this side of the pond, we don't acknowledge any masters. Not democratic, to our way of thinking. It is difficult for us to conceive that anyone ever should acknowledge a master unless he is in the armed forces. Just something we take for granted. For us, working together is by consent rather than command. There are exceptions such as obeying traffic laws, paying taxes, conscription (not currently) and jury duty; but even these we resent.

Here, if we referred to someone as our master, it would be to make mock of him and to imply that, in his own boiled brain, he might just possibly think it true. And here is where my ignorance may be showing. Perhpas you use the word to make mock as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:18 pm 
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they don't want to break from the herd. So, I guess that they are easily led-off. Too willing to be domesticated, unwilling to see and think for themselves perhaps.


And there you have it, especially the majority of the middle class. They're terrified of not keeping up with the fashionistas, not capable of independent, rational thought.

I'm convinced these same people, if told they were going to be exterminated in the interest of the greater good/global warming they'd all walk to their death thinking, 'well if my friends are not complaining why should I'. They remind me of Daleks.

As to the rest, the 'not the education' system has chucked out illiterate, dumbed down kids from schools, deliberately, for years. And these self same people carry on letting their children be indoctrinated, they know no better I suppose.

It makes you want to cry.


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