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 Post subject: EGYPT THREAD: Sucking it in
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:17 pm 
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With Mubarak having resigned and handed over to the Army, and now reported having left the capital and travelled to his residence in the Red Sea resort of Sharm El-Sheik, the Egyptian situation is not the only echo of the 2008 food riots.

Reported by Bloomberg, the EU is considering taking emergency action on feed grains and sugar, to hold down surging prices and ease shortages. Its initial plan is to suspend some cereal-import duties and take administrative measure on sugar stocks which will also ease the supply situation. This is exactly what was happening in 2008, although then the Commission went further by also reducing set-aside requirements releasing more land to food production.

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Froth is indeed what we are seeing, and not only seeing, but also listening to. I am tuned in to BBC R4 "P.M." programme listening to the hallowed tones of Eddie Mair. He went live to some BBC hack in Cairo who spoke with reverance of "the people" deciding, erupting celebrations, momentous times, crowds cheering themselves hoarse, and everything is totally lovely in la-la land. Eddie then spoke to some Egyptian opposition chap who has been trying to bring this "solution" over the past twenty years. As the Eygptian came to the end of his spiel he seemed to have a catch in his voice. "Are you alright?" Mr. Mair solicited while passing over a cyber hankie.

I had to check that this was not a podcast from Iran, January 1979, when the Shah was kicked out.

Meantime that Ashton woman has spoken on behalf of Europe. She said that by departing, Mubarak had "opened the way to faster and deeper reforms." [...] "It is important now that the dialogue is accelerated leading to a broad-based government which will respect the aspirations of, and deliver stability for, the Egyptian people," she said in a statement. "The future of Egypt rightly remains in the hands of the Egyptian people," the statement added.

I wonder how many EUrocrats it took to compose that crap.

It will all end in tears.


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The maps help on this youtube.
http://www.acwitness.org/psalm83english.html
This is where I think we are headed next.
By the way in comparison William Hague makes Ashton look reasonably compotent...an amazing feat !


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My sister owns a small field that she rents to a local farmer. Several years ago she asked the farmer to leave a slightly wider edge on the perimeter so that she could walk her dog. A few months later she recieved a letter from the EU that their sattelite had picked up on the fact that a few centimeters had been shaved off the size of the field.
One really has to wonder about the costs of this micro-management compared to any benefit.


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Jonathan wrote:
The maps help on this youtube.
http://www.acwitness.org/psalm83english.html
This is where I think we are headed next.

"The World of The Patriarchs" map. I found that video a few weeks ago and was so fascinated I downloaded it and have watched it a few times since. It's all rather intriguing that after such a time lapse some things do seem to be falling into place as they were written in that book of "fairy tales", as some would have it known. I am neither religious nor Jewish but my mind does keep going back to the message. "Do unto them as unto Midian, as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the river Kishon; Who perished at Endor, Who became as dung for the earth."
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By the way in comparison William Hague makes Ashton look reasonably compotent...an amazing feat !
Too true.


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This article tells a different tale about Egypt.....the Regime is still in charge, the same one that has run Egypt since Nasser.

The Al-Beeb as usual have got it all wrong


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FU (Fed Up) wrote:
This article tells a different tale about Egypt.....the Regime is still in charge, the same one that has run Egypt since Nasser.

The Al-Beeb as usual have got it all wrong

I can't help but feel that Egypt is just having a circus (since apparently the bread is missing). It's amazing how breathless the BBC and co have been today.

Murbarak is 82 and was going soon whatever happened. Instead of the unpopular ascension of his son (who legged it early on anyway) the military is going to get to pick their own guy and fool the people into thinking they've been heard. It may in fact be that basically the entire old regime stays on but with a different figurehead, although the military has suggested otherwise.


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Kyle wrote:
FU (Fed Up) wrote:
This article tells a different tale about Egypt.....the Regime is still in charge, the same one that has run Egypt since Nasser.

The Al-Beeb as usual have got it all wrong

I can't help but feel that Egypt is just having a circus (since apparently the bread is missing). It's amazing how breathless the BBC and co have been today.

Murbarak is 82 and was going soon whatever happened. Instead of the unpopular ascension of his son (who legged it early on anyway) the military is going to get to pick their own guy and fool the people into thinking they've been heard. It may in fact be that basically the entire old regime stays on but with a different figurehead, although the military has suggested otherwise.


You are right, nothing has changed ... except that the current problems will get much worse. Expect a "counter revolution" - perhaps within the next six months.

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The Septuagenarian who launched the coup has been receiving pep-talks from the CIA.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/ ... KH20110211

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RAENORTH wrote:
You are right, nothing has changed ... except that the current problems will get much worse. Expect a "counter revolution" - perhaps within the next six months.


If that happens you'd expect it would come from an army faction, lead by an officer between 35-45 years of age, with militia support from the Muslim Brotherhood. Maybe they'd truck some Hamas thugs from Gaza to throw some people off of buildings.

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Froth is indeed what we are seeing, and not only seeing, but also listening to. I am tuned in to BBC R4 "P.M." programme listening to the hallowed tones of Eddie Mair. He went live to some BBC hack in Cairo who spoke with reverance of "the people" deciding, erupting celebrations, momentous times, crowds cheering themselves hoarse, and everything is totally lovely in la-la land. Eddie then spoke to some Egyptian opposition chap who has been trying to bring this "solution" over the past twenty years. As the Eygptian came to the end of his spiel he seemed to have a catch in his voice. "Are you alright?" Mr. Mair solicited while passing over a cyber hankie.

I had to check that this was not a podcast from Iran, January 1979, when the Shah was kicked out.

Meantime that Ashton woman has spoken on behalf of Europe. She said that by departing, Mubarak had "opened the way to faster and deeper reforms." [...] "It is important now that the dialogue is accelerated leading to a broad-based government which will respect the aspirations of, and deliver stability for, the Egyptian people," she said in a statement. "The future of Egypt rightly remains in the hands of the Egyptian people," the statement added.

I wonder how many EUrocrats it took to compose that crap.

It will all end in tears.



I agree, there will be chaos and famine in Egypt, this time without the 10 plagues.
The UN/EU/Obama Administration and Iran will make it happen.

"Mubarak has decided to step down from the office of president of the republic and has charged the high council of the armed forces to administer the affairs of the country. May God help everybody."

Suleiman's statement is an indication that the military has carried out a coup led by Defense Minister Field Marshal Mohammed Hussein Tantawi after more than two weeks of street protests.

The end of the long rule of Mubarak, 83, has broken the stupor of the collective intellect in the Muslim world and there is a new realization that mass mobilization is a decisive power, yet in the absence of true democratic movements, the Middle East is likely to be the new playing field between Shi'ite Iran and the pre-dominantly Sunni Muslim Brotherhood.

However, Iran understands that this is a transitory stage in which any paradigm change - like the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 that ousted the shah - is a distant dream, rather it will dilute the firm grip and role of the predominantly Sunni regimes such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Tunisia.

This will further aggravate the Arab street, and could help the rise of Shi'ite Islam in the Middle East, thereby creating strategic depth for Iran and possibly lead to a revival of the Fatimid caliphate, which was centered in Tunisia and Egypt from 909 to 1171".
From: The beginning of a New (Old) Struggle
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB13Ak01.html


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We have seen similar policies during the Irish famine when food crops were exported to Britain while the Irish perished.
While the EU 'sucks up' food crops from outside it's territory the production of bio fuels is accelerated.

This is a scheme of criminal proportions.


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Having read the latest post on this and wiki link Richard posted, I am more sure than ever than this is history written in advance.
http://www.acwitness.org/psalm83english.html
I believe (repeat believe) Israel will defeat the attack in a counter-attack but wonder whether The USA and UK will actively support/sit on the fence/ or even oppose Israel.
Ted Heath helped Israel's enemies in 73-74. Indeed the hatred of this independent free democratic nation state by one world government people is amazing if it were not for the fact that they realise this is the one nation which does not want to be ruled by a government outside its own borders.


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This article will disappear behind a pay wall soon, which is why I copy it to this forum entirely:

Israel's military caught unready for Sinai front. Tantawi is no friend
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis February 12, 2011, 10:33 AM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Egypt Gen. Suleiman Israel Sinai Tantawi

Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi, head of High Army Council
Friday night, Feb. 11, as Cairo's Tahrir Square rejoiced over Hosni Mubarak exit, Israel counted the cost of losing its most important strategic partner in the region.
Thirty-two years of peace with Egypt leave Israel militarily unprepared for the unknown and unexpected on their 270-kilometer long southern border: the current generation of Israeli combatants and commanders has no experience of desert combat, its armor is tailored for operation on its most hostile fronts: Iran, Lebanon's Hizballah and Syria; it is short of intelligence on the Egyptian army and its commanders and, above all, no clue to the new rulers' intentions regarding Cairo's future relations with Israel and security on their Sinai border.
The Israeli Defense Forces are trained and equipped to confront Iran and fight on the mountainous terrain of Lebanon and Syria. After signing peace with Egypt in 1979, Israel scrapped the combat brigades trained for desert warfare, whose last battle was fought in the 1973 war, and stopped treating the Egyptian army as a target of military intelligence. Israel's high command consequently knows little or nothing about any field commanders who might lead units if they were to be deployed in Sinai.
Israel's policy-makers and military strategists are meanwhile acting on two basic assumptions:
1. Egypt's new military rulers will not be keen to lose the US $1.3 billion military aid package or their access to state of the art technology, and the Obama administration will make continued assistance conditional on upholding the peace treaty with Israel.
DEBKAfile's military and Washington sources are not absolutely sure President Obama will lay down this condition or that, if he does, the Egyptian army will accept it. Even if the peace relations are left in place during the regime's first uncertain two or three months in Cairo, it is by no means certain they will survive thereafter.
The new rulers may be influenced by oil-rich Saudi Arabia's latest policy turn. As DEBKAfile reported exclusively Thursday, Feb. 10, King Abdullah was so incensed by Washington's abandonment of his friend and ally Hosni Mubarak that he ordered the kingdom's diplomatic and military ties with Iran upgraded and strengthened. It is anyone's guess today whether the generals in Cairo opt for Washington or decide to patch up Mubarak's quarrel with the ayatollahs instead.
Riyadh can easily afford to make up for the loss of American aid to Egypt. Abdullah made that same offer to Mubarak if he stood fast against American pressure for his resignation, promising him a Saudi dollar for American dollar.
2. Israel is counting on Gen. Omar Suleiman - overlord of Egypt's intelligence branches and for eight days, Mubarak's Vice President - to keep faith after many years of close cooperation in safeguarding the peace relationship. Suleiman is one of the top three members of the High Army Council now ruling Egypt, alongside Defense Minister Field Marshal Mohammed Tantawi and Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Sami Al-Anan.
DEBKAfile: Israel may be barking up the wrong tree. When Suleiman was elevated to VP, Jerusalem hoped he would come out of the Egyptian uprising as the coming man. Friday, Mubarak's resignation left him stripped of his new title.
His footing in the top army command council is far from certain. It is to be expected that once firmly in power, the top generals will start jockeying for the top spot. Suleiman and Tantawi have long been rivals and Mubarak often stepped in to resolve their arguments, usually in the former's favor which the latter won't forget. Since Tantawi is no fan of Israel, Suleiman may decide to promote his own chances by avoiding being seen as overly pro-Israeli or pro-American. Jerusalem may therefore find a closed door when seeking him out.
This is bound to happen soon because of the chaotic free-for-all launched in Sinai while all eyes were on Cairo.
Indeed while a military coup was in progress in the Egyptian capital, Iran, Hamas and Al Qaeda's Middle East networks were fully engaged in violently reducing the Egyptian presence outside the southern Sharm el-Sheik pocket and beginning a process of annexation to the Gaza Strip starting in North Sinai. This is part of Iran's new strategy, seized on during the upsets in Cairo, to expand the Hamas state and shift the crux of Palestinian governance from Ramallah to Gaza City.
While this was going on, Hamas and Al Qaeda terrorists along with drug and human traffickers were free to infiltrate Israel, using the flow of thousands of illegal job-seekers smuggled across the lawless Sinai border.
Even the limited control Suleiman asserted over this traffic has gone.
The Netanyahu government in Jerusalem must therefore think fast and make quick decisions about Sinai. Will the military regime in Cairo take action to bring Sinai under control? Or will Israel be reduced to sending drones or special forces across the border for covert action to cut down the threats building up to its security?
Suddenly, Israel finds itself in a situation akin to the US-led forces in Afghanistan, which have in the last year stepped up their drone attacks on Taliban and al Qaeda strongholds in Waziristan, to the detriment of US relations with Pakistan.
Our military sources note that Field Marshall Tantawi has never attached much strategic importance to the Sinai Peninsula, which is why Mubarak transferred responsibility for its security from the army to Suleiman. Its reversion to the army and the field marshal would be bad news for Israel and its future relations with Egypt.
From www.debka.com

Here is another article about Tantawi from Zero Hedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mohame ... ed-dossier

This new Egypt ruler is no good news.
Not for Israel, not for the people of Egypt.

I really wonder what they are celebrating.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:04 pm 
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How is that wikileaks cable suggestive that Tantawi is "bad for Israel"? He's presented as in the same camp as Mubarak.

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Washington interlocutors should be prepared to meet an aged and change-resistant Tantawi. Charming and courtly, he is, nonetheless mired in a post-Camp David military paradigm that has served his cohort’s narrow interests for the last three decades. He and Mubarak are focused on regime stability and maintaining the status quo through the end of their time. They simply do not have the energy, inclination or world view to do anything differently.


Remember, Israel supported the overthrow of Mubarak. Do they really want Tantawi if he offers more of the same?

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