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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:34 pm 
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"Britons want European Union to assert itself on the global stage" says The Observer, telling us that a Fabian Society poll "reveals" that the British public wants EU states to co-operate more on major policy issues such as climate change. This is a YouGov survey, which purports to show that, while anti-Brussels feeling is still deep-rooted, "Britons now want the EU to be more active in meeting specific international and global challenges."

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Co-operation is always going to get a positive response - however it's not the same as 'interference' is it?
Incidentally it's interesting how you can get the result you want by wording the question a particular way, and then you can skew the answer to prove almost anything.


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I read until I got to "The Fabian Society" and "The Observer", then guessed the story to be one of a dishonest manipulation. The guess was about right.


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meltemian wrote:
Incidentally it's interesting how you can get the result you want by wording the question a particular way, and then you can skew the answer to prove almost anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjh13hxehl4


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We are being manipulated all the time, not only by polls but by the news itself - what is left out, what is put in, and how it is spun. I don't believe there is some massive conspiracy, simply that people are conditioned to 'know' what is expected and mostly they automatically comply. You don't get promotion by being awkward.

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comet wrote:
meltemian wrote:
Incidentally it's interesting how you can get the result you want by wording the question a particular way, and then you can skew the answer to prove almost anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjh13hxehl4


Nice one ... added to the piece. This makes the point more than adequately.

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The Fabian society, ha ha ha, don't they clean toilets and provide gentleman's services for the Bruxelles politburo?

Socialist, luvvie, societal re-engineering scum.


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Nice one, Ravenscar @ 12.09.

And, of course, Dr. N. Polls are pathetic, and having seen how modern students are trained to compile and interpret them, nothing would induce me ever to respond to one. Amoral 'argument' techniques, are one problem; and the 'yes or no' mode enhances the pollster's control - rather as if (s)he were a bullying cross-examiner on 'Perry Mason.'

No wonder the Fabians et al banished classical education! I say help kids develop their critical thinking before the pollsters get to them. Introduce the young as early as possible to Plato and Aristotle and some of the people who used their methods -- and even to the logic of grammar ---.

Ah, but wait. Students shouldn't have to think. They have computers, television, comedy, and sundry loud noises to do that for them. So let professional rhetoricians get struck by lightning and then pay them amuse the real smarties: who refuse to believe there's anything worth learning, or any elder worth listening to. ['Low'] Cunning is the only pragmatic academic standard.

Anyway, it's easier to hate those boring elders than to respect their repositories of knowledge. Off to the euthanasia dumps with anyone over ... well whatever age is inconvenient. Take all the material goods previous people had; and let the 'fun' continue. Just set up a poll to support the legislation. PDT_Armataz_01_30


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