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 Post subject: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:45 pm 
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The extraordinary editorial in The Irish Times yesterday asks "whether this is what the men of 1916 died for: a bailout from the German chancellor with a few shillings of sympathy from the British chancellor on the side." "There is the shame of it all," it says. "Having obtained our political independence from Britain to be the masters of our own affairs, we have now surrendered our sovereignty to the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund. Their representatives ride into Merrion Street today."

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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
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we have now surrendered our sovereignty to the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund.


And not one of these people is elected democratically.....that is the most dangerous mistake they have made.....as do we electing anyone from the main parties.


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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:30 pm 
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The Toryboy Blog has presumably received instructions from that paragon of democracy, Cast-Iron Dave, to close down any meaningful debate regarding the malign influence of the EU.

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... rated.html

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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:42 pm 

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In my long-held view, the EU is doing to the Nations of the British Isles, what it has long planned to do. It is a classic divide and conquer strategy; it broke Ireland away from us, it is courting both Scotland and Wales, so as to isolate England. And one by one it is intent on destroying each of these four countries. United, we are stronger and better than the rest of the EU; at our best, we are more civilised and we know only too well that socialism is a European pandemic, which will require lots of strong medicine, for a long time, to restore the sufferers to health. What we hadn't reckoned with, was the virus within our countries, which is destroying our resistance to the cause of the illness.


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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:45 pm 

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Where will the element of resistance emerge from then? There is scant chance from within the Conservative Party, but there is some chance, while from the LDs and Labour there appears to be none.

If Conservatives are a power-seeking coalition, they will only move when the situation provides an opportunity to gain more power by becoming more eurosceptic. The collapse of the Euro might provide just such an opening.

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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:55 pm 
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Tapestry wrote:
Where will the element of resistance emerge from then? There is scant chance from within the Conservative Party, but there is some chance, while from the LDs and Labour there appears to be none.

If Conservatives are a power-seeking coalition, they will only move when the situation provides an opportunity to gain more power by becoming more eurosceptic. The collapse of the Euro might provide just such an opening.


:lol: :lol: It will have to be a very big opening :lol: :lol:

Sorry Tap, your faith in the conservative party is admirable, but short of a getting off their arses/courage virus infecting tory MPs & supporters things will stay the same. I'm afraid you seem to be in the same conservative cuckooland you were before the GE.

Shame you were making progress on the tory front PDT_Armataz_01_28


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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:55 pm 

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Tapestry wrote:
If Conservatives are a power-seeking coalition, they will only move when the situation provides an opportunity to gain more power by becoming more eurosceptic. The collapse of the Euro might provide just such an opening.



Rosie,

I think it will come to that. I don't see a manifestly Eurosceptic party forming a government from a GE result. UKIP and the BNP are a way from gaining a single MP. It all seems to come down to votes at Westminster to do anything about this. Realistically, it looks as if we're saddled with some sort if Lib/Lab/Con government for the next few years. Eventually, they'll have to realise that the EU Project has failed and get out, but their natural inclination will be to pretend that it hasn't failed and stay with the sinking ship to the end. A few UKIP or BNP MPs in parliament and the threat of more, would help rouse them from their dozy complacency, and could hold a balance.

Where I differ from Tap on this is in his suggestions that voting Conservative rather than UKIP in the last GE, would have been in any way useful to the cause of withdrawing from the EU. It would have been positively damaging. It would have endorsed their 'moderate Euroscepticism' i.e. going along with The Project with full determination but pretending they weren't from time to time.


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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:01 pm 

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When I read the Irish Times op-ed I was also a bit baffled. Like where have these editors been for the last past 5 years - watching Dancing with the Stars? PDT_Armataz_01_15


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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:41 pm 
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Mayhap the lack of true Euroscepticism among our elite, more willing to cover their own backsides & careers by adhering to the party Whip than pursuing the interests of the Country at large, will eventually be of no consequence.
Truth be known, we have very little or no influence in the Greater Euro Co-Prosperity Sphere which could not care less whether we are Sceptics or not....we are now a bunch of aggravating small islands to the North which is bound by treaty & can do nix about it ; not least because they have lost their cohesion, and ergo strength, together with their once famous guts.
My own feeling is that our salvation is incapable of coming from within,,,,but will be precipitated by events on the Euromainland where, History tells us, the habit of getting rid of unpopular regimes is a character-trait we do not possess....on the mainland, the natives really do get restless.
Just wait a little while, frustrating though that may be....our salvation, our release which we are totally incapable of achieving ourselves, will come from the heart of Europe

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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
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They are having to re-write all the old rebel songs:

Men with pens and files and phones
Came to repossess our loans
And that is why we'll stand behind
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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:05 pm 
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permanentexpat wrote:

My own feeling is that our salvation is incapable of coming from within,,,,but will be precipitated by events on the Euromainland where, History tells us, the habit of getting rid of unpopular regimes is a character-trait we do not possess....on the mainland, the natives really do get restless.
Just wait a little while, frustrating though that may be....our salvation, our release which we are totally incapable of achieving ourselves, will come from the heart of Europe



I go along with this, and when it kicks off it'll be something trivial to start the ball rolling.

I just wish it'd hurry up and kick off.


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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:44 pm 

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I'd guess what we see with the IT editorial is what we see with most newspapers. They have an editorial line which is not altogether consistent. To some extent they attempt to shape the opinions of their readership, to a large extent they reflect the opinions of their readership.

There were several referendums concerning the EU, the early ones passed with big majorities. Only a few were warning that the tasty morsel concealed a barbed hook. Later the NT and the LT were rejected but the morsel was made tastier and they were manipulated through.

Now comes the horrible realisation that the morsel was just that, tasty but soon gone, and the barbed hook is not a bogey man story but is very real, very sharp and very barbed.


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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:49 pm 
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There are some tiny straws in the wind, Rosie.
In the remote area in which I am fortunate enough to live. in my nearest (one horse) town there is a plethora of posters plastered everywhere calling for a General Strike (because of 'injustice')
As i don't get around very much I have no idea what's going on in the major cities but imagine it would be the same or moreso....as a guest here I take neither part nor too much interest in the political scene but there is a sense of foreboding.
The posters, from the (far) Left, if course, are typical reaction to cuts, both actual & planned, designed to rescue an economy in very serious straits.
I am sure this is being reflected elsewhere among those countries deprived of the golden teat.
That there is an unusually high number of Mercs & Beemers (appallingly driven) on our roads is testimony to the misuse of previous donor largesse.
I'm very happy with my 17 year-old VW...no sour grapes :lol:
Just have a little patience.

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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
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 Post subject: Re: Just like the rest
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:09 pm 
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I believe the EU is like a poison fed slowly slow that it builds up and eventually kills nations. Ireland is not far from death. Oborne says these crisis cause misery to millions of people and that it was probably planned in the first place to further integration. I commented that if that is the case, supporting the EU is immoral. I also recommended that the Telegraph carried on its work of exposing the thieves in Westminster by tackling the immorality of the EU and campaign for withdrawal. I think I made the remark that it pretends to be Eurosceptic but never quite gets there.


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