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 Post subject: I really do hope
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:49 am 
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... once again, that all those Hooray Henries who rooted for Cameron as defender of the armed forces are now having a good look at themselves as the implications of the strategic defence review begin to emerge. You might have expected me to have followed the process in some depth, adding to the "great debate" from the experts and pundits as to which way our defence policy should go. The problem, though, is that there hasn't really been a great debate, not in any sense of there being a strategic review.

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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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At what point do they no longer have enough competencies left to be called a government??

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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:17 am 
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At what point do they no longer have enough competencies left to be called a government??


Take away foreign policy and defence and we have a provincial council. We are almost there.

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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... erals.html
It looks as though Ministry of Defeat will be on the RMA reading list if it's not already. Well done! PDT_Armataz_01_37


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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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Brian wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1316061/Basra-pullout-defeat-Britain-Iraq-say-generals.html
It looks as though Ministry of Defeat will be on the RMA reading list if it's not already. Well done! PDT_Armataz_01_37


Very interesting ... thanks! It looks as if the "generals", having failed to hold the line on the "victory" meme, are now trying to rewrite history and position it solely as a political failure ... thereby exonerating the generals. However, the comment of Lt Gen Fry is interesting: "The Americans decided to win. We decided to leave." The "we", of course, was the military. The generals left Blair and then Brown no option but to conform with the military decision.

The great "trick" now, of course, is to keep the focus on Basra, instead of al Amarah. The cruicial decision was the withdrawal from al Amarah, not Basra, and that was the military decsision - there was hardly any political discussion at all. But once that happened, the die was cast - it was no longer possible to hold Basra and full retreat was inevitable.

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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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Re the Junior Partner in 1940 thing, Clive Ponting's 1940 Myth And Reality may elucidate Cameron's statement. Britain knew before the war began that American entry was necessary and that reserves would at best last two or three years. America knew it was in the driving seat and was able to demand and get whatever concessions it needed for its own defence (eg bases for old destroyers), keeping neutral but supplying Britain with just enough not to capitulate while it rearmed. For any doubters who still believe that the Arsenal of Democracy had a Special Relationship with Britain remember that the Lend-Lease Act was Bill Number 1776 - a bit of a snub don't you think? Come to think of it, the word Partner is wrong because America, in effect (and very nearly did in reality), owned Britain from 1940 onwards.


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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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But why is he so surprised? As long as there is a divorce between foreign policy and defence, as, we pointed our earlier, this was always going to be a "strategy-lite" review. That means that it could only be about spending.

There isn't a divorce between foreign policy and defence. Both are merrily heading for European integration, for reasons I can only assume are less individual responsibility, less chance of having to use the fancy toys in anger and many British eyes on the top jobs in a much larger and more integrated setup.

At first glance it always looks like a cretinous attempt to be the equal of America. We, nor Europe as a whole, will never be like America and we should stop trying.


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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:51 am 
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Re the Junior Partner in 1940 thing, Clive Ponting's 1940 Myth And Reality may elucidate Cameron's statement. Britain knew before the war began that American entry was necessary and that reserves would at best last two or three years. America knew it was in the driving seat and was able to demand and get whatever concessions it needed for its own defence (eg bases for old destroyers), keeping neutral but supplying Britain with just enough not to capitulate while it rearmed. For any doubters who still believe that the Arsenal of Democracy had a Special Relationship with Britain remember that the Lend-Lease Act was Bill Number 1776 - a bit of a snub don't you think? Come to think of it, the word Partner is wrong because America, in effect (and very nearly did in reality), owned Britain from 1940 onwards.


Certainly, it was the case that Britain's primary strategic objective was to get the US into the war. Beyond survival, it had no other broad strategic plan. The destroyers, I see as "fluff" to demonstrate solidarity between the nations, and that was why it was so important to Churchill. Militarily, they were useless at the time - all needed substantial upgrading and refits and did not see service until 1941.

However, your point about whether we were in fact "partners" is an intriguing one. "Supplicant" might be a more accurate word, and sounds better than "beggar".

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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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Richard, this is not what it seems at face value. Love him or loathe him, Cameron is a very bright cookie.


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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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Re the Junior Partner gaff.......strict reading of the history and with the benefit of hindsight may justify that comment, but the Green Tosser is renowned for telling whoever he is with, what they want to hear.....this was the same trip that had him referring to Gaza as a prison camp, when in Turkey.

Also if one talks to many people who were actually involved in WW II, they are all immensely grateful to the US for coming on board and the current anti US feelings are anathema to them.

The Green Tosser's comment was not only flat out historically wrong, but insulted the efforts of every member of our Armed Forces involved at the time.....


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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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"Cameron is a very bright cookie", very underdone. And your evidence for this is? Admittedly he is making a lot of money and friends in EUland.....that's it.


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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:43 pm 
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I should have posted this yesterday but circumstances prevented me:
While it is old news that our final repayment to the generous Americans for goodies during WW2 was made in September 2006....the time-span indicating the enormity of the usurious debt...a snippet from der Spiegel yesterday throws it almost into insignificance...I am still a tad aghast:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... #ref=nlint
The Americans did pretty well, financially & strategically, out of both WWs achieving, in the second, the dream of FDR....the destruction of the British Empire.
Pity that they're now pissing their profit up against the Socialist wall...never imagined they could be so stupid!

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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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But why is he so surprised? As long as there is a divorce between foreign policy and defence, as, we pointed our earlier, this was always going to be a "strategy-lite" review. That means that it could only be about spending.


Just a minor point... My fascination with the SAS and its post Malaya era, leads me to recall one description of the Regiment that puts this nicely into context - namely the definition of it being "the strike arm of the Foreign Office". The entire military is that very thing.

That is why the abject and wholesale failure of the FO under William Hague to put down those essential markers about our place and role in the world is the worst kind of negligence. The incompetence of our leaders is not only depressing but infuriating. The failure no doubt stems not just from a desire to cut expenditure, but to remain resolutely in hock to the whimsical interests of the European Union as it continues its impotent posturing on the world stage.

A review of spending without any comprehension of our future objectives proves there is no strategem. Cameron is too vacuous to understand this, Hague too much of a suck-up to flag it and the civil service so completely sold out to the EU it is blissfully comfortable in watching as we waste our money and betray our fighting men and women.

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 Post subject: Re: I really do hope
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betray our fighting men and women.


Will the rank and file stand for it?

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