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 Post subject: A cold wind doth blow
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:18 am 
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Reported by the Scottish Daily Record and now picked up by The Daily Mail is the news that the Cairngorms in Scotland saw a coating of snow last weekend (pictured above). Temperatures in the Highland mountain range plummeted below freezing as a couple of inches of snow fell , despite it still being September. Now The Record is quite openly saying that the snow - before the end of offical British Summer Time - has sparked fears we could be facing another long, cold winter.

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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:51 am 

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While feeding me fish this evening it was cold enough that I could see my breath, and I'm in the Vale of York.

If the warm has turned and we have entered a period of global cooling the climate legislation and taxation is going to hit us doubly hard. Energy consumption would increase beyond what the Government has projected at a time when energy prices are being pushed upwards by the self same Government. It can't all be dealt with by shuffling money from my right pocket to my left pocket via subsidies and it certainly can't be dealt with with wind turbines.

That said, if the temperature is going to slip a little that will provide extra impetus to push harder and faster with throwing money at 'renewable' energy - because sure as shot we're not going to see fossil fuel or nuclear power stations filling that gap any time soon. Shifting the argument from wind, wave and whatnot to reduce emissions to wind, wave and whatnot to keep the lights on.

They have made it so that whatever the climate does, up or down, more extreme or less extreme, the 'solution' is always more wind turbines, solar and other industries they have invested in.


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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
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What is being 'invested' in, is the continuing application of severe problems for mankind as a whole. Why would governments do this? As heartless and crazy as it appears, the long term desire is driven by the new world order that wishes the majority of the worlds population gone. Why? So that their power is enriched by leaving a smaller, wealthier population that will willingly contribute to the 'order' to stay alive. With fewer rebels and truth seekers exposing their plans (and populations as a whole), they are able to retain control and power. They fear the spread of knowledge, and if they cannot counter it with denial and media support OR SILENCE, they will make living not an option.

This is why any individual or group of individuals in political places of influence parrot the same illogical (to most) statements and policies that fly in the face of reason. WE are the problem, THEY are working their solution. The colour at the mast is irrelevant, all parties are as one - driven by one. Conspiracy theory? Bullshit - look around you. Food poverty, famine and lack of flood and earthquake relief, war, in every field there are solutions - none are being taken or only tentatively. In every field there are problems, and they are created - our current situation began before WW1. This is WWIII, the weapon is the political directives that remove the coin from your pocket and your liberty to walk free and unhindered as a sovereign person in the country of your birth - or anywhere else come to that.

As long as mankind is puzzled by this, he is lost.


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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
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You'd think even Charlie might start asking questions, as he yomps around the Balmoral estate hunting pheasant in the snow.

Then again... PDT_Armataz_01_14


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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:07 am 
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scrasea wrote:
You'd think even Charlie might start asking questions, as he yomps around the Balmoral estate hunting pheasant in the snow.

Then again... PDT_Armataz_01_14


It's climate disruption, dear boy. Never mind that we got a similar weather pattern over the winters of 1939-40 and 1940-41.

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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:48 pm 
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Michael Shermer has a very interesting talk up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o , the title of which is 'The pattern behind self-deception'.

It is about why and how we believe things -- in the dawn of humanity, we always had to decide whether that rustle in the grass was just the movement of the wind, or whether it was a lion. He shows that we are hard-wired to see patterns, even when there is scant evidence for them, that we often see what we are predisposed to see, and that some people are more prone to seeing false patterns (Jesus in their pizza, and so on).

I won't spoil it any more, but its relevance to the climate change issue is clear, but only if you believe we are governed by credulous and gullible fools.


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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:07 pm 

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Rick Bradford wrote:
I won't spoil it any more, but its relevance to the climate change issue is clear, but only if you believe we are governed by credulous and gullible fools.


The clip didn't make a hard and fast link between credulity and intelligence. There were obvious counter examples.

It isn't useful to assume we are governed entirely by credulous and gullible fools. You can pick out all sorts of motives:

Some years back, when the costs were not understood, it was giving people what they wanted. There's an inertia in what has been done.

Some are true believers in the Al Gore message.

A few are gullible fools.

Some go along with it because it appears to be a problem soluble only by international action - weakening the nation state - and authoritarianism. It's a useful vehicle for political ideologies which couldn't be sold honestly.

Going against the flow, whatever they think about CAGW, would rock the boat and not enhance their immediate career prospects.

There are nice little earners in all of this; careers, rackets.

An external threat makes the populace easier to manage, solving real problems is messy and risky.

They're not spending their own money and are to a large extent insulated from the consequences.

From the point of view of UK government as a whole, rejecting CAGW outright and developing sensible energy policies for the UK would involve going against the EU and the UN. Sticking to their guns would lead to exit from the EU and although this may be in the interests of the UK, it is pretty clear that the political establishment does not regard it as in its interests, and that's all that's important to them.


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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
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Rick Bradford wrote:
Michael Shermer has a very interesting talk up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o , the title of which is 'The pattern behind self-deception'.


Deception - or seeing familiar objects in inanimate things? Who hasn't seen the 'Man In The Moon'? But do you see the Giraffe? Of course not, but now you are going to look for one.

And who's the deceiver in the ultimate trick? The girls have seen the guys, no deception there. But then they were cheated on. Now that does ring a bell!


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 Post subject: Re: A cold wind doth blow
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:29 am 
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An external threat makes the populace easier to manage, solving real problems is messy and risky.

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken


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