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 Post subject: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:08 am 
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Dellers is saying that: "We need to ensure that corporatist profiteers are no longer able to benefit from the distortion and corruption of the markets which result from green regulation."

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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:28 am 

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They have rigged the voting system so we may have 5 years to wait before we get a chance to throw out the bastards.


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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:49 am 
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Robertm wrote:
They have rigged the voting system so we may have 5 years to wait before we get a chance to throw out the bastards.


It is even more rigged than that ... you get to vote for the poltical elite ... you can change the faces but not the system (or the laws).

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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:37 am 

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If the Bilderbergers are talking Global Cooling, then that's the battle against the Warmists well and truly won, isn't it?
It should be shouted from every rooftop!

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 Post subject: Re: He's right
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Charlie wrote:
If the Bilderbergers are talking Global Cooling, then that's the battle against the Warmists well and truly won, isn't it?
It should be shouted from every rooftop!


You don't understand. You are under the impression our governing elite are guided by what is right, most of the time. You STILL think once our ruling elite hear what is right, they'll do what is right. Wrong. If that was ever true it's less true than ever today.

Our governing elite are corrupt. They think with their wallets. They think that voters are people who can be manipulated by the media. They think the 'sheeple' are obsessed with celebrities and entertainment and will agree with policies that make them richer, more powerful, and unaccountable if they are simply presented in a pretty package.

Your mistake is to have inaccurately frame this problem as an ideological battle (global warming versus natural warming) where it is a class one. The ideology was a culture vehicle, a trojan horse, that enabled our ruling class to make a power grab, to increase taxation and raise their incomes.

What we have done is discovered the trojan horse that let the enemy inside the castle. But the enemy who came out from within the trojan horse have taken the castle. We can shout "it wasn't a real gift, it was bandits" from every rooftop but that's not going to help us take back the castle.

Edit: Sorry for sounding annoyed but it's essential we don't get complacent in a perceived victory that isn't... I've done a little cartoon!
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 Post subject: He's right
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Encouragingly, it's only a little over 24 hours since James Delingpole put this thread up, but in that time there have been 798 comments. That shows that people are beginning to realize that the political elite have conned them big time - & have stolen their democracy from them. That's a start. The next stage is to work out how to defeat the elite - & preferably very soon!

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 Post subject: Re: He's right
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The elites will defeat themselves, probably with a little help from the markets. The ECB 'rescue package' is being drawn down by more than 100 mill. per month and will run out soon. The elites will be too chicken to mug the Germans again and the ECB will continue to hand out money it hasn't got.
It's all cooking...

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 Post subject: Re: He's right
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Watchet wrote:
Encouragingly, it's only a little over 24 hours since James Delingpole put this thread up, but in that time there have been 798 comments. That shows that people are beginning to realize that the political elite have conned them big time - & have stolen their democracy from them. That's a start. The next stage is to work out how to defeat the elite - & preferably very soon!

Watchet

It puts the Builderbuggers in a bit of a pickle - explain themselves or let the impression they foresee global cooling continue.

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The elites will defeat themselves, probably with a little help from the markets. The ECB 'rescue package' is being drawn down by more than 100 mill. per month and will run out soon. The elites will be too chicken to mug the Germans again and the ECB will continue to hand out money it hasn't got.
It's all cooking...


EU set up secret group to save Euro

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Two months after Lehman Brothers collapsed in the fall of 2008, a small group of European leaders set up a secret task force—one so secret that they dubbed it "the group that doesn't exist."

Its mission: Devise a plan to head off a default by a country in the 16-nation euro zone.

When Greece ran into trouble a year later, the conclave, whose existence has never before been reported, had yet to agree on a strategy. In a prelude to a cantankerous public debate that would later delay Europe's response to the euro-zone debt crisis until the eleventh hour, the task force struggled to surmount broad disagreement over whether and how the euro zone should rescue one of its own. It never found the answer.


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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:54 pm 

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SandyRham wrote:
being drawn down by more than 100 mill. per month and will run out soon

Numbers don't seem right ? €100M per month would be €1.2 bn per year, which would take a while to burn €30bn.


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 Post subject: Re: He's right
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The Sunday Times in it's personal money section ystdy, said that the "guaranteed" price paid by the Gu'mint for alternative energy is under review.......!!!!!!!

Even if it survives this round, circumstances will eventually force it to be cut.


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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:39 pm 

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Sorry meant 100 billion. Can't find the zerohedge article. May have got the wrong end of the stick.

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 Post subject: Re: He's right
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Minor point but the Trojan Horse contained Greeks and not Trojans or have I misunderstood the cartoon's message? Either way, the Trojan Horse doesn't go on the benefits of immigration pile.


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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:19 pm 

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Charlie wrote:
If the Bilderbergers are talking Global Cooling, then that's the battle against the Warmists well and truly won, isn't it?
It should be shouted from every rooftop!


You are defining the target too narrowly. The target is attempting to become more diffuse by talking about Climate Change rather than Global Warming, and now Climate Disruption. A mistake was made in talking about Global Warming, which was an easy sell at the time, but lead to problems later on. Climate Change would have been harder to sell but easier to defend. Climate Disruption? Well, any unusual weather event is Climate Disruption, hot, cold, or staying the same too long. It's a desperate attempt to keep the scam going.

The target is people who for divers reasons, are attempting to push unaccountable trans-national government on the back of a terrible threat we are all contributing to by just going about our lives - that is, manipulate us by manufactured guilt, and manipulate us into something we wouldn't possibly stand for if it wasn't sailing under a false flag. "Warmists" only partly describes them and the motives of the "Warmists" are not all the same.

I really don't see the Bilderbergers as a central planning point, they don't have the time and I can't see they have the cohesion to carry out a plot. If they are talking about Global Cooling, see it as more of a commentary on where the great and the good really see things. Climate Disruption still covers it.

Energy Security is a tad nationalistic. It could lead to unfortunate themes being developed. "Coping with Climate Change" is the sort of balancing act the Tories excel at. You might think it's about the UK coping with Climate Change, but the intention is that the scams can continue under a different name.


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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:52 pm 
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Brian wrote:
Minor point but the Trojan Horse contained Greeks and not Trojans or have I misunderstood the cartoon's message? Either way, the Trojan Horse doesn't go on the benefits of immigration pile.


Sorry, my comprehensive education didn't cover the classics.

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 Post subject: Re: He's right
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:24 pm 

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My point is this: the Bilderberg Group, a gathering of the uber-A-list world movers and shakers, is gathering for its annual 'problems facing the planet' conference.

In its list of problems, published for all to see, is 'Global Cooling'.

I consider that to be an astonishing inclusion, something unthinkable a few years ago, and, yes, a public slap in the face for the Warmists. A victory.

Not quite sure where all the hysterical rantings about Trojan horses come from!!

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