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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:03 am 
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Moonbat writes the obituary for a climate change agreement. "So what do we do now?" he asks, then telling us: I don't know. These failures have exposed not only familiar political problems, but deep-rooted human weakness. All I know is that we must stop dreaming about an institutional response that will never materialise and start facing a political reality we've sought to avoid.The poor wee lad. One of his commenters is terribly unkind, writing: "Never mind, George, I'm sure there'll be another bandwagon along in a moment, and some new scare for you to fret about."

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All I know is that we must stop dreaming about an institutional response


How many £100s billion to try and prove Irritable Climate Syndrome, and still the weather won't agree.
So what are Moonbat and his twitterlings going to worship now?

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How many £100s billion to try and prove Irritable Climate Syndrome, and still the weather won't agree.
So what are Moonbat and his twitterlings going to worship now?


Bizarrely, the politicians are still wedded to it ... what do we do with them?

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George strikes me as an intelligent fellow -- he is one of the first of the Warmies to make it to Stage 4 of the grieving process for a lost love.

The Five Stages Of Grief are:

1. Denial and Isolation.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance.

He did plenty of 1. and 2., a detectable smidgin of 3. and has now sunk into a slough of despond at 4., while many of his fellow Warmies are stuck at a rage-filled Stage 2.


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I notice today that loony Huhne is after stealing even more of our money in "green" taxes, 30 pence on petrol and he says "motorists will agree". I have news for him, "get stuffed, you overpaid buffoon". He is a fraudster, but then that is a given, he is after all a rich socialist with the usual hatred of his fellow man. In short, another Cameron who seems to be of the same stock. They are already stealing by means of inflation with low interest rates, robbing us for the benefit of the energy companies, putting the food prices ever higher with the aid of complicit big business, and still want more. All the while insulating themselves from the cost. Didn't the "great leader" say something along the lines of "we are all in this together", no we sodding well are not.

Yes, Dr. North, I think you did say something along the lines of " why don't we slaughter the lot", sounds better every time we think of it.


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Neo-feudalism, taxing wage-earners back to poverty, gotta love it.

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Neo-feudalism, taxing wage-earners back to poverty, gotta love it.


One starts thinking of all the creative things one could do with a red hot poker.

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Neo-feudalism, taxing wage-earners back to poverty, gotta love it.


One starts thinking of all the creative things one could do with a red hot poker.


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RAENORTH wrote:
Bizarrely, the politicians are still wedded to it ... what do we do with them?


There's nothing bizarre about it. It's a glorious excuse to raise taxes, lecture and control us and create useless jobs, all of which they assume we will be happy to go along with for some future good, which used to be fairly well defined - enormous rises in sea levels, vanishing coral islands, tipping points and so on - but which is becoming more vague by the minute. Coming clean would be embarrassing and hard work. I think they will be perfectly happy with what's been achieved so far. Now the taxes are in place, the justification can be quietly forgotten, or some other, slightly less implausible claptrap trotted out.

Note Huhne's comments that green taxes will be used to help low earners.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... f-800.html

The cant is moving away from saving the planet, drowning glaciers and melting polar bears. The reality - higher taxes and more interference - remains the same.

We could vote the idiots out, and vote in another lot with the same idea. It will end when they manage to create a real crisis and reality can't be kept at bay any longer.


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Talking about red hot pokering... the International Continental Scientific Drilling Program, European Union, German Science Foundation and the Campania region of Italy are all funding a project to drill into an active caldera close to Naples.

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Probing 4,000 metres into an active volcano is no mean feat: temperatures are expected to be as high as 500–600 °C. "No similar project has ever faced such temperatures," says De Natale. The researchers will use a drilling rig provided by the International Continental Scientific Drilling Program (ICDP), an intergovernmental research consortium that is funding the project in collaboration with the European Union, the German Science Foundation and the government of the Campania region of Italy, in which the caldera lies.

Such a high temperature at a relatively shallow depth may turn out to be an opportunity for other research fields. Below 3,000 metres, researchers expect to find supercritical fluids, which form when water is above boiling temperature but under so much pressure that it can't turn into vapour. "Although the technology is still experimental, such fluids could one day be extracted and used in a geothermal plant, with a tenfold increase in efficiency compared to classic geothermy," says De Natale.

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But the project comes with risks, says de Vivo. A similar project in Iceland, also sponsored by the ICDP, was halted last year after it unexpectedly found magma at a depth of just 2,100 metres. Hitting magma so close to the surface could theoretically cause an explosion in the well or trigger small earthquakes, which could be dangerous near a big city. He adds that drilling may repollute the old industrial site by bringing heavy metals and other toxic compounds to the surface.


This project smells like sulphur.

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De Vivo says that drilling closer to the centre of the Campi Flegrei caldera and farther away from Naples would provide more data, without risking the population of the city. "If the goal is studying the structure of the caldera, why drill so far from its centre, which is actually to the west, near the town of Pozzuoli?" he asks.


Maybe the real reason for drilling where they are, despite the human and environmental risks, is to explore possibility of using green energy to power Naples.

Here are the aims of the inter-governmental project, as per a 2006 ICCP workshop

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* Reconstruction of the deep caldera structure, thermal state, stress and rheology (location of shallow magma reservoirs and brittle-ductile transition),
* Reconstruction of the geothermal system and its interaction with magma reservoirs, both during eruptive and pre-eruptive phases,
* Determination of best strategies for geothermal energy exploitation,

* Improvement of shallow and deep monitoring technologies and risk mitigation.


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De Natale responds that drilling near Pozzuoli would be less interesting than at the proposed site, as it would allow researchers to study only collapsed layers of rock rather than a stratified picture of their chemical composition and temperature.
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Don't know whether this is a meaningful reason. But if their aim is to test strategies for geothermal energy exploitation it's a lot more meaningful to do that near Naples, where the energy is needed. To hell with the minor risk of setting off an earthquake or eruption (with possibly global consequences) when there is a world to be saved from global climate disruption.

Here's an ICCP article on drilling at Campi Flegrei. Map of the caldera below... with Naples to the right

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Edited to add:A year ago De Natale was more up front about the geothermal goal of the project, calling it "Central to this expansion".

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Central to this expansion, says iuseppe De Natale, a geophysicist at the Vesuvian Observatory in Naples, will be exploiting Campi Flegrei. He points out that this is an ideal site for geothermal energy production because its subsurface temperature increases rapidly with depth and because it contains natural reservoirs, which means that the water that is used to carry away the heat does not have to be pumped in from outside. He believes that, given the political will, the fraction of the country’s electricity generated by geothermal could rise five-fold to as much as 10% within the next 10 years.

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De Natale says that he and his colleagues will use the results of a test on supercritical geothermal energy to be carried out shortly in Iceland, a heavy user of geothermal energy.


Hmmm, that sounds like the drilling that was halted at 2100km because it started to cause earthquakes (as referred to in articles above).
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“Once we have shown the people and politicians the potential of geothermal energy in this area, I believe it will be easier to persuade them to move to the more powerful supercritical technology,” says De Natale.”


Daily Mail on it

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Borehole fibre-optic sensors will help scientists know where the magma is stored while other sensors will monitor the movement of the ground around the volcano, giving potentially vital information about when it might erupt.


Yet according to one expert that won't mean nuthin.
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The place is run by the Mafia ... it seems inconceivable that dirty money is not involved somewhere - and that people do not have their hands in the till.

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Now that Moonbat has admitted defeat, that climate chnging is going nowhere, I wonder if it's beyond the realms of possibilities that he'll be asking the government, via the Guardian, whether green taxes be abolished or cut back, or why Hulne is proposing even more greenscam taxes. Just a thought.


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RAENORTH wrote:
Moonbat writes the obituary for a climate change agreement. "So what do we do now?" he asks, then telling us: I don't know. These failures have exposed not only familiar political problems, but deep-rooted human weakness. All I know is that we must stop dreaming about an institutional response that will never materialise and start facing a political reality we've sought to avoid.The poor wee lad. One of his commenters is terribly unkind, writing: "Never mind, George, I'm sure there'll be another bandwagon along in a moment, and some new scare for you to fret about."

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Slightly O/T but more fluffy heads have appeared on the Independent web site, and surprise, surprise they're writing on environmental topics.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 84675.html

A whole article (I'll avoid their weak pun) about landfill, and not a mention of the EU at all. They wonder why no-one reads this excuse for a newspaper. Quite apart from that though we get this:-

independent fluff head wrote:
Was no one aware that packing a cocktail of organic matter with all those old microwaves, car parts and plastic bags, meaning there's no oxygen to help it biodegrade, would create the potential for landfill sites to belch climate-altering levels of methane into the atmosphere – and that that isn't a good thing?


Surely the methane produced is as a result of the rubbish biodegrading? And anyhow you can burn it and use it for power, which is surely a good thing.


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