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 Post subject: Meaningless data
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:33 pm 
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According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, arctic sea ice appears to have reached its annual minimum extent on 10 September. The minimum ice extent was the third-lowest in the satellite record, after 2007 and 2008, the Center says, "and continues the trend of decreasing summer sea ice."

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 Post subject: Re: Meaningless data
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:48 pm 

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As is often the case with climate 'science' the NSIDC are comparing today with an average that misses out a chunk of recent data. That is (imo) statistical fraud and in this case is excluding a third of the available data without good reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Meaningless data
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:19 am 
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The big joke, of course, if you are into these things, is that arctic ice extent seems to run on a seventy year cycle, as well as being affected by short-term cycles which have more to do with wind patterns than they do temperature.

This fits with the sunspot cycle, which those of us interested in HF radio propagation rely on. It cycles over, roughly, eleven years and the eleven cycle over roughly 70 years. HF radio propagation at the moment is at the bottom of the lowest cycle I can remember because of low sunspot activity.

ARRL propagation data 10.9.2010

Average daily sunspot numbers for the week rose nearly 13 points to
38.3, and average daily solar flux was up over four points at 78.4.
On September 2 one new sunspot group emerged, numbered 1105. It
joined sunspot groups 1101, 1102 and 1103. On September 4, group
1102 faded away, then 1101 and 1103 vanished on September 6. 1105
went over the western side of the Sun by September 9, but a new spot
may be emerging in the northeast. On September 9 the sunspot number
was zero, and solar flux dropped to 73.7.

The current prediction from US Air Force and NOAA shows a rising
solar flux, 74 on September 10, 75 on September 11-12, 77 on
September 13-14, and peaking at 78 on September 15-16. This is
lower than the peak of 80 predicted on Wednesday for September 16.
After that a decline in solar flux is expected, then a rise to 80 on
October 2-3.


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 Post subject: Re: Meaningless data
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:25 am 
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Whay bugs me is that we accept the game plan set out by these bufoons. When they blather about ice retreat on the back of 40 year's data, we should tell them to come back in thirty years when they have something interesting to say!

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 Post subject: Re: Meaningless data
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:21 pm 

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I recently had a conversation with a University grad regarding the melting Icecaps. We got onto this subject as she said she was studying alternative fuel sorces that would be o' so important in the future.

Upon hearing that my field of expertise was shipping, she became very interested in what I thought about the new North east passage to the pacific ocean and about the fuel cost saving of routing ships to the far east via this route.

She was a very bright lass and seemed to know quite a lot about the subject, but was a little dishartened whan I laughed off any sugestion that it could ever work commercially, and seemed completely mistified when I pointed out that the route has beeen navigable, off an on, for the past 100 odd years.

Just another indicator that the brightest people comming out of our educational establishments are only being led in one direction.

Off topic, Its now offical, in order to improve 'environmental performance', modern containerships to and from Asia are now slower than ships in the glorious age of Sail.
http://www.ifw-net.com/freightpubs/ifw/article.htm?artid=20017808410&src=rss

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 Post subject: Re: Meaningless data
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:42 pm 
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Puffineater wrote:
Off topic, Its now offical, in order to improve 'environmental performance', modern containerships to and from Asia are now slower than ships in the glorious age of Sail.
http://www.ifw-net.com/freightpubs/ifw/article.htm?artid=20017808410&src=rss


Silly boy ... slower is faster! Didn't you know that?

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