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 Post subject: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:58 am 
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The Hockey Stick is toast, says WUWT. And a satellite failure means that temperature data are doubtful. Will it make any difference? Methinks the High Priests are not going to give up that easily, while the politicians have too much money at stake. But it does seem to be unravelling rather fast.

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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:20 am 

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Meanwhile in NZ we have a pending High Court case against NIWA (the govt climate body, who has several lead IPCC authors).

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4026553 ... te-records

The background to some of the case is here:

http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/

In a nutshell, the temperature series has been adjusted and the adjustments are not accounted for.


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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:56 am 
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Re the hockey stick

These guys, as all seasoned academics (and bureaucrats), are pastmasters at this. They will wait till all meaningful responses come out. They will then issue, what will be called a, "devastating reply". Ammunition will be handed out. You can almost hear the machinery clanking behind the scenes.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:14 am 
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Commenters on WUWT report that Tamino and Romm are deleting comments even mentioning this paper on their blog comment forum. Their refusal to even acknowledge it tells you it has squarely hit the target, and the fat lady has sung – loudly.


That is not going to work for very long, the trouble is that it is their own data that is being used against tehm so it is very difficult for them to trash logic that is applied to their own reasearch findings.

Lord Monkton has also delivered another torpedo below their waterline when he used the IPCC data to demonstrate that the IPCC projections for C02 levels are completely overblown.

It is a sinking ship and it seems also to have run out of Ammo.

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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:18 am 
O/T Couldn't believe this one. From the Telegraph: Re: Forgemasters Loan


Sheffield Council's Liberal Democrat leader Paul Scriven has told The Daily Telegraph that the loan could be partly financed through a bid by the planned Sheffield City Region local enterprise partnership (LEP) to the regional fund.

Up to 40 of these partnerships are being formed across England to replace the nine regional development agencies, and by April 2011 will be given powers and funding to tackle local housing, transport and economic development priorities.

WTF????


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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:27 am 
Well richard, you summed it up nicely " too much money at stake". When i try to explain to my workmates the facts about global warming i have to say," how can they admit that there is no warming? In the uk, all vehicle taxation and energy policy is based on it, they have no wriggle room to get out of it. We will all know within five years that co2 has nothing to do with global temps, maybe we will be able to get rid of this lot then.
The cold is coming.Ask joe bastardi, piers corbyn, geoff sharp, tall bloke.Long solar minimum and cold making ocean conditions. Buy wheat, corn and rice futures, and shares in energy companies, and enjoy the snow that was " GOING TO BE A RARE EVENT"


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:07 am 

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Well worth reading "Chill" by Peter Taylor.

He puts in some pretty convincing arguments countering AGW, and he used to advise for Greenpeace!


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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:13 am 

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Don't know whether or not to believe this :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... -coalition

... but it looks like a small bit of good news.

Heh. Where good news is being defined as politicians lying through their teeth to get elected, then doing something sensible. Oh, my poor country ...


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:03 am 
Bennyboy.
with a few more like you in the pews the public would be paying less taxes, and have more money in their pockets, keep up the good work
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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:25 am 

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So there's a hard winter coming? PDT_Armataz_01_22
We need to suggest as many pig/ox roasts on ice if we have a really cold spell. In Bath, for instance, we have a canal that was solid for a week last winter.
Best spread the idea now and get commitments for 'if' it freezes. You may even trap some warmists into saying that we won't get 2 cold winters in a row, in which case point out that they can commit to the 'if' since it won't happen.
Only ridicule will get through to the politicians.

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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:16 am 
The big money is in the carbon trading scam set up by the international banks: the cartel which owns government debt, the corporations, the media, and the government itself. There is no way that this easy money will be allowed to slip through their fingers. Ask Soros - he spelt it out.


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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:45 am 

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The big money is in the carbon trading scam


Was! Chicago CEx has been locked on 10c / ton and buggrall trading volume and are essentially axing staff.
The EU trading is also stalled I gather.

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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:09 pm 
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Again, slightly OT, but...

I just noticed yesterday (headsmack), that the EPA in the US refers to, and tries to deal with Dr North, at length in their report

http://epa.gov/climatechange/endangerme ... olume2.pdf. Go to page 26 onwards.

They wrestle with it, for 4-5 pages. PDT_Armataz_01_06


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If you google Mann climate you get one report so far from Prison Planet - who are the deniers now?

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 Post subject: Re: Unravelling?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:47 pm 
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Shub Niggurath wrote:
Again, slightly OT, but...

I just noticed yesterday (headsmack), that the EPA in the US refers to, and tries to deal with Dr North, at length in their report

http://epa.gov/climatechange/endangerme ... olume2.pdf. Go to page 26 onwards.

They wrestle with it, for 4-5 pages. PDT_Armataz_01_06



There are a LOT of campaigners for Congress during this mid-term election that have, as one of the planks of their platform, de-fanging out-of-control government agencies like the EPA. Many of them are saying, outright, that the EPA needs to be rolled back to its original mandate of cleaning up major pollution hazards and get the hell OUT of the "saving the planet" business.

Had they been populated by people focused upon cleanup instead of environmentalist clap trap-- "... we need to do a study on this to see what kind of impact [this action or that action] might have..." that caused typical bureaucratic "analysis paralysis" during the early days of the BP spill, the marshes of Louisiana might never have been inundated with oil.

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