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 Post subject: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:33 am 
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Householders face a £300-a-year rise in their gas and electricity bills and significant cuts in how much energy they use if Britain is to "keep the lights on" and meet its climate change targets, the "Government" has said. Actually, this is that fool Huhne, who has said people would have to make "ambitious" cuts in their own consumption.

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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:09 am 
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Is there nothing or no one that can put a stop to these dangerous people. The thing is it won't affect these, I can't even call them idiots they're way beyond that. All this bullshit of repealing this, that & the other is their way of deluding the electorate into thinking they're different and are doing something. It's all crap, the NGOs they're supposed to be scrapping are merging with other NGOs, plus new ones, business as usual.

It's always been said use the ballot box, but what use has it been. I just hope it doesn't take 13 year long years for the masses to work out that these are going to be worse than the other bunch. BNP or UKIP is a must now.

Just a thought, what happens when most of the country can't afford to put their heating on, cook or use hot water. Most won't be able to afford the costs so will look for other ways to get by, therefore smaller payments to the energy lot, less profit. Are these people as stupid as they would have us believe. What really is the end game.

I can see calor gas & primer stoves making a come back.


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:53 am 

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UKIP votes brought in the Lib Dems.

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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:15 am 
The thing to watch here is smart meters. If Brown had an Orwellian appetite for CCTV to spy on everyone outside of their homes, Cameron picks up the torch for extending state surveillance to those places the government dare not propose CCTV... inside the home. The next best thing is smart meters. Fast tracked into every UK living space under the guise of enabling householders to keep highly detailed, timed, records of their energy uses, smart meters in fact beam that same information back to the energy supplier and government agencies. Once armed with this data, individual homes can have their power supplies monitored and cut or reduced at any time of the day according the Big Brother's will. IBM are already milking the UK smart meter market and boast in their literature that energy retailers will be able to "embed *energy management intelligence* in the consumer goods of those who [don't] have the inclination to change their consumption behaviour" (which their research has indicated is currently over a quarter of the UK population).

AGW fanatic Cameron meanwhile is quick to trumpet that smart meters will 'consign power cuts to history' - conveniently forgetting to mention that decades of effective nuclear and fossil generation have already consigned power cuts to history. Perhaps what the the Tories really mean is that they hope using smart meters to ration everyones supply will avoid the inevitable power cuts once they have decommissioned our current generators and descended into the Green Utopian hell of windmill-infested renewable energy. As Chris Goodall puts it in the Guardian - "suppliers can use smart meters to introduce emergency restrictions on electricity consumption at times of unexpected shortage. If the wind suddenly drops or a nuclear power station fails the smart meter can temporarily ration a household to one or two kilowatts, enough for lights and the TV but not for the vacuum cleaner". We will still need the TV, presumably, to stay tuned to the BBC's relentless AGW propaganda.

All this madness of course is completely unnecessary. But until the British people rise up to put a stop to it - the lunatics are steadily increasing their control.


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:38 am 
I can see a business opportunity for suppliers of diesel generators.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:05 am 
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Huhne…yet another minister with the nickname Buff… extraordinary.

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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:32 am 
Isn't it time we sent in the exterminators? This plague of political rats, rattus shitheadensis, rattus fuckwitterii and rattus moronicus have been gnawing away at the infrastructure for far too long...


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:38 am 
Huhne is a war-criminal. The war is against us. Environmentalism is the church bult on the ruins of marxism. Energy policy is its main weapon against us, to force us to bend to their delusional vision of a low carbon economy living on wind power. Think Avatar. You can't vote on energy policy, as 95% of voters haven't a clue how they are being shafted by it. Hiding behind warm words like "renewable" and "sustainable". None of our resources are infinite, when things run out we always adapt, because thats what life does, which is why these words are effectively lies.

We need to fight back. God knows how, but anywhere is a good place to start


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:05 am 
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We appreciate that there was not much choice at the last general election – but choice there was. One trusts now that those who thought a vote for Dave or his minions a good idea are fully appraised of their foolishness.

Who was a better choice, then?

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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:17 am 

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Tapestry wrote:
UKIP votes brought in the Lib Dems.

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I presume you missed the part, Tap, in Richard's post where this policy has the full support of the Tories.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:20 am 

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PeterS

makes a very good point......maybe a lot of the pols love of AGW, is due to not only it's potential for taxation, but also power over us.

The numbers you mention are going to be flat out impossible to pay for many. We as a country have over 1 trillion in personal debt, which some are now trying to pay off, there is no slack left in terms of increasing debt, no savings, just where do these idiots think the money will come from.

As the debt agencies persue late payers and they are extremely aggressive in the way they do, believe me I know, the hatred for the Green Tosser and the seriously vile Buff-huhne will grow exponentially. This isn't a policy, this is a suicide note.


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:21 am 
It was the people who voted UKIP, without any hope of making a real impact, who stopped the Tories getting a majority. It would have been far better to have forced Dave to have had to partner with his backbenchers and 'more Conservative' MP's eg The 22 Committee, than to have put him in a situation where he had to get into bed with the Liberals. UKIP were not going to win vast numbers of votes, and any fewer votes for Dave, would have meant Labour getting back with Gordon - such a situation is still to horrible to contemplate.

That being said, I can see the benefit of the Liberals as a front when you are fighting the BBC monster. Maybe the best thing to do now is try and give support to strengthen what is called 'the right-wing' of the Conservatives - David Davies, John Redwood are starting to make the right noises, Eric Pickles seems to be doing a good job. We need to campaign agains the loony Huhne, and the miserable Vince, whilst ingnoing the Harman clone Featherstone. What you do about Dave, heaven only knows - US junior parter, Gaza prison camp, let in the Turks, EU is great, AGW is real !!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:02 am 
"UKIP votes brought in the Lib Dems.!!!!!"

Weren't you one of the great deluded who thought that Cameron would ditch his left-wing lunacy and reveal his true "conservatism" once in office?


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:04 am 

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Summermir, you can tell how successful it would have been to vote tory vs UKIP by the number of tories who voted against the recent climate bill. Was it three?

There is no indication at all that any version of the tory party you could surmise in the most feverish imagination would reverse any policy on climate or the EU. That is why some of us voted for parties who had, in their manifestos, stated objections to those policies, no matter how hopeless the parties were.


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 Post subject: Re: Bills up by a third
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:30 am 

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summermir wrote:
It was the people who voted UKIP, without any hope of making a real impact, who stopped the Tories getting a majority.


No, the only people that stopped the Tories getting a majority were the...Tories. If they don't offer polices that people want then why should we vote for them? It's rather arrogant of the Tories to assume they have a god given right to people's votes. They don't, they have to earn them like everyone else and in this instance they didn't. If the Tories don't like the presence of UKIP, then there's a simple solution, offer an 'in or out' referendum. But they won't so they didn't win...

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