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 Post subject: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:40 pm 
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Sky News is by no means alone amongst the media pundits suggesting that Cameron's brave experiment is about to crash and burn, not even gaining majority party status in the next parliament. This is, of course, just fluff based on a run of bad polls. The election campaign has yet formally to begin and, as we are constantly reminded, a week is a long time in politics. Anything can happen.

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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:23 pm 

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Check out this Speccy article, that purports to be from the inside of the Green Tosser's Electoral Death Wish HQ.

They clearly have no clue at all, as to why it's all going so horribly wrong.

The Tory situation is now verging on critical


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:46 pm 
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FU (Fed Up) wrote:
Check out this Speccy article, that purports to be from the inside of the Green Tosser's Electoral Death Wish HQ.

They clearly have no clue at all, as to why it's all going so horribly wrong.

The Tory situation is now verging on critical


Forsyth is also in the bubble ... he can no more see clearly than can Cameron and his claque. This is interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hange.html

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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:34 pm 
If, as seems possible, Cameron pulls defeat out of the jaws of what should be sure victory, then perhaps it'll put an end to the idiot's dreams of giving us what we don't bloody want - more Labour driven EU, AGW and open-door immigration tripe! Hopefully it'll be the political end of him as well.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:01 pm 
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Not Rocket Science wrote:
If, as seems possible, Cameron pulls defeat out of the jaws of what should be sure victory, then perhaps it'll put an end to the idiot's dreams of giving us what we don't bloody want - more Labour driven EU, AGW and open-door immigration tripe! Hopefully it'll be the political end of him as well.


Possibly, the only thing to look forward to is Brown scraping in, to lead a minority government, Cameron getting deposed and then another general election in short order, won by a newly formulated Conservative Party. We can always dream!

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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:09 pm 

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Not sure I trust that Poll.

We are forever hearing how 'hard right' the new intake is.....again this is one of Taps unprovables, only by voteing for them do we find out and by then it's too late.

It also doesn't gel at all with the PC addled, sopping wet Tosser clones that are being forced onto Constituency Parties, which are driveing them up the wall.

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won by a newly formulated Conservative Party. We can always dream!


The Green Tosser will not last a New York minute if he doesn't win. The only reason that he is still there, is because it's too late to dump him. But if he can't beat McSnot's shower of shite, who are so unbelievably awful, that they make Ethelred the Unready look like Sun Tzu, then it will be a defeat far worse than any other and the Green Tosser is 1000 % responsible.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:16 pm 
Not for the first time, Richard, have we chosen an attack on a particular point or character. Unlike you I have no real personal animosity toward Cameron. My feelings are of anger and frustration at the abject failure to hold this terrible, maniac led "Gummint" of utter incompetents, to account. I still believe the destruction of socialism is our only hope but we have such an ineffective opposition as to make this unlikely. I hope you get a moment to visit my latest post.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:55 pm 
I was chatting to my septuagenarian mother about the hung polls. She has been entertained by my forthright opinions on Brown since before it was fashionable, but I have not spoken to her about Cameron. She has never voted Labour in her life, but she was now tempted to as a protest vote, because of vague but unsettling misgivings about Cameron. She was amused to hear this provoke a stream of invective, with examples, against Cameron. This is an example of the strange mood mentioned in the post, and also the first time that I have come across the concept of a vote for Brown being a protest vote against the opposition party.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:28 pm 
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Wasp wrote:

...the first time that I have come across the concept of a vote for Brown being a protest vote against the opposition party.


I hadn't thought of it that way, but that is indeed what is being considered by an increasing number of voters. The point, of course, is that no party in opposition can be considered as fit for government until it has proved itself an effective opposition. On that alone, Cameron has failed.

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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:51 pm 
And so say all of us .. so hi thee unto http://www.abgb.co.uk (not associated, by the way).


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:33 pm 
Eugh. Well thats just made my night. If it is true voters would "protest vote" for Gordon Brown over David Cameron, despite being in the WORST economical situation since the Second World War, I really will give up on politics for good.

The only way to send a clear protest message to Westminster is through UKIP and the BNP. I feel its the only way to send such a strong signal to both Labour and the Tories.

Then again, if its done in Torie strongholds where no other party but Labour is standing, I could accept that although bitterly.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:41 pm 

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I don't have any personal dislike of Cameron. I thought the way that he and Hague handled the LT was calculated deception. I have an intense dislike of Brown and Blair, but it isn't clear that Cameron's crew would be substantially different. I can't see him making sense over the climate change nonsense and dismantling the structures put in place to support it, for instance.

The problem I see with the Conservative Party is that they attempt to do things based on focus groups and the fad of the hour and they appear to have no principles guiding their actions. More of the same as we have now with a blue shading. It isn't enough to want to see them in power. They don't appear to want to change anything important. I assume they've been a rotten opposition because they are more or less in agreement with what Nu Labour has been doing.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:04 pm 
The reason why there is such a strong sentiment against Cameron is that he denies the public an immediate alternative - and that is profoundly undemocratic. I knew this as soon as he was elected so I abandoned the 'mainstream' and joined the BNP, which really does offer an alternative to what is now the merged LibLabCon party.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:25 pm 
Cameron lost a lot of credibility on the Lisbon Treaty because he came over as being untrustworthy. He also turned down UKIP's offer to give him a free run at the election. Since then he has twisted and turned on what little policy he has put before the electorate and squandered what should have been an unassailable lead.

His stance on the Lisbon treaty confirmed Cameron's Conservative Party was not worth voting for. His refusal of the UKIP offer shows he is an idiot. He couldn't hit a cat's arse with a banjo.


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 Post subject: Re: A strange and ugly place
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:58 am 

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What does Camerons stance on anything have to do with who you vote for, you vote for the candidate who best fits your view of the world, if that puts Dave in number 10 then so be it, he will be surrounded by a large number of opinionated MPs who will make up his majority and will be at their mercy


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