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 Post subject: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:28 am 
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There seemed to be more to David Cameron's refusal to hold an EU referendum than just a decision based on a careful assessment of the options. His petulant style and manner suggested something more deep-seated. And now we learn from Lord Pearson that that was indeed the case, as he reveals to The Times that he personally offered the supposi-tories a deal that would have UKIP standing down at the general election in exchange for a referendum.

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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:29 am 

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You say a million votes.....I'll raise that many times.


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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:40 am 
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FU (Fed Up) wrote:
You say a million votes.....I'll raise that many times.


All we need is 100,000 in the right places and there's your 50 seats.

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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:53 am 

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If Pearson makes an early declaration on Climategate, and hails Copenhagen for the gravy-train it is then he will start sweeping up old tory votes, mine included.
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"The Queen is Sovereign in this Realm and any act or treaty that says otherwise is Constitutionally illegal" ?

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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:28 am 
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SandyRham, just what I came here to say.

Pearson has an historic opportunity. He can establish UKIP as a broader party in one stroke by saying that global warming itself is - ahem - unproven, and AGW even more so, so government should not be lavishing taxpayers' money on it, especially when we all know state spending is going to have to be cut back.

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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:57 am 
EUKIP are directly in alliance with the EU to block Cameron. The EUKIP effect is only the icing on the EU cake. The election will be heavily rigged with postal vote fraud and ballot box tampering as required. The question has to be asked, what will EUKIP do if Cameron decides for reasons of strategy in dealing with the EU to open up the possibility of a referendum.

You also have to ask why EUKIP wants a referendum to be held about a Treaty which it is now too late to stop, or over IN versus OUT which still might be lost. There is no strategy here, only a massive sulk that the EU are currently winning the game.

At the time of the EUKIP offer, the Conservatives were intending to hold a referendum on the unsigned Lisbon Treaty. EU (i.e. YOU) are playing the EU's game Richard. It is their Lisbon victory which changed the circumstances, not a desire to cooperate with Lisbon by Cameron.

You say that this will bring a Hung Parliament and bring about a realignment of British Politics. That realignment could be to Portilloise the Conservatives, and bring an end to all attempts to negotiate, the introduction of the Euro unopposed by any major party, and the end of all attempts to resist the EU through formal politics.

You have become a mouthpiece for a political party which is rotten to its core with corruption, has no strategy to achieve its supposed aims and which is assisting your enemies. It does not seem too bright overall.


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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:35 am 
Is this an endorsement by EuRef of a vote for UKIP in 2010?

If not, will EuRef endorse any party?
Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
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EURef is too bloody 'ornery to do as they're told, on every level PDT_Armataz_01_34
But Lord P. certainly moves the UKIP into my 'possible' vote category, which was empty before. In other words I'm cautiously for UKIP if he gives a clear firm lead. Has he got it in him??
Tap, you're great but your Cameron theory is pants PDT_Armataz_01_13 PDT_Armataz_01_13

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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:57 pm 
I like the political stance of Lord P on another subject.

Its UKIP for me now, unless he spoils his copy book.


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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:19 pm 

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Tap,

Why do you assume that Cameron will do in the future what he promises today? After all he has form. He has taken no notice of the potential trouble that should ensue from "climategate" and is still banging on about reducing carbon emisions, what the hell for? He will not listen to the people, that has been plain ever since he conned his way into the leadership. Not only that, but like Brown and Clogg he does not like Great Britain and it's people, the EU comes first, we are a distant last. PDT_Armataz_01_19

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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:21 pm 

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Looks like my postal vote goes to UKIP and I second DP111's feelings on the other subject.


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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:23 pm 
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Frankie wrote:
Is this an endorsement by EuRef of a vote for UKIP in 2010?

If not, will EuRef endorse any party?
Thanks.


Shall we just say that EUREF has become a UKIP-friendly zone?

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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:10 pm 
"...early declaration on Climategate...", "...saying that global warming itself is - ahem - unproven.." Somebody beat UKIP to that punch. Meet the party for climate realists, immigration realists, EU realists - in fact, for realists in general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mT02uJ9gUM


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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:13 pm 
Until Pearson runs his own press office but gets the party to pay for it, like Farage, the new leader walks in a shadow.


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 Post subject: Re: A deal rejected
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:40 pm 
"EUKIP are directly in alliance with the EU to block Cameron."

That is funny, I thought UKIP offered the Tories an alliance and the Tories said no.

"The election will be heavily rigged with postal vote fraud and ballot box tampering as required."

That is nothing to do with UKIP and everything to do with the scummy claque.

"The question has to be asked, what will EUKIP do if Cameron decides for reasons of strategy in dealing with the EU to open up the possibility of a referendum."

He will have to do more than open up the possibility.

"You also have to ask why EUKIP wants a referendum to be held about a Treaty which it is now too late to stop, or over IN versus OUT which still might be lost. There is no strategy here, only a massive sulk that the EU are currently winning the game."

Well, it was Cameron that uncondittionally promised a referendum. He hanged himself with his own words.

"You say that this will bring a Hung Parliament and bring about a realignment of British Politics. That realignment could be to Portilloise the Conservatives, and bring an end to all attempts to negotiate, the introduction of the Euro unopposed by any major party, and the end of all attempts to resist the EU through formal politics."

Hopefully defeat may encourage the Tories to be a little more conservative.

"You have become a mouthpiece for a political party which is rotten to its core with corruption, has no strategy to achieve its supposed aims and which is assisting your enemies. It does not seem too bright overall."

UKIP are no more dishonest than the party who you claim will rig the next election, the LibDems who have not been forced to hand back their sizable donation or the Tories who lied about having a referendum.


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