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It's only a poll

Postby RAENORTH » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:56 pm

Opinion polls are generally taken with a pinch of salt, although they offer occasional entertainment. One such is the current Mori poll in The Observer which puts the Conservatives on 37 percent (down six), only six points ahead of Labour on 31 percent (up five). The Liberal Democrats are on 17 percent (down 2).

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Re: It's only a poll

Postby JohnFSK » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:22 pm

It couldn't happen to a nicer PR man.
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby Pericles » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:40 pm

Britain could face a hung parliament. PDT_Armataz_01_37 PDT_Armataz_01_37 PDT_Armataz_01_37

Yes please, I'll bring the hemp, or would you prefer a supply of piano wire?

Yes, yes, I know the word is "hanged", but I can day dream.
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby RAENORTH » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:03 pm

Pericles wrote:Britain could face a hung parliament. PDT_Armataz_01_37 PDT_Armataz_01_37 PDT_Armataz_01_37

Yes please, I'll bring the hemp, or would you prefer a supply of piano wire?

Yes, yes, I know the word is "hanged", but I can day dream.


Hunged, drawed and quartered?
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby sonomaca » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:07 pm

Conservatives have to think about the future. They likely won't be offered plum positions in Europe in the future should they kick up too much dust now. If they go along with the program, more likely that they'll be joining the Euro elite and enjoying all the benefits which so derive.
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby Gerald-Odeston » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:10 pm

I think you're right Richard. If it were true that Cameron did not know that the Lisbon Treaty, once ratified , would immediately become an integral part of EU law, then he has no business being the leader of the opposition.
He has proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is content with our becoming vassal ciphers of a federal europe and his personal future therein is his ultimate goal.
His contempt for his fellow british subjects is demonstrated by the ease with which he broke, what he called his solomn asseveration to call a referendum upon 'Whatever the outcome of the ratified Lisbon Treaty.' He is as untruthful and as slippery as Brown and Blair. It'll have to be UKIP I am afraid!
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby Budgie » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:11 pm

If Cameron is not in power inevitably he could not halt Lisbon, or even have a referendum. As Lisbon goes through it will change the EU's constitution, embedding itself in the two re-vamped foundation treaties. So after the implementation of Lisbon, a referendum on Lisbon is, for all practical purposes, pointless. If Cameron had repeatedly made that clear he would not have found himself considered as fraudulent as Brown.

So the battle over Lisbon is lost, but that does not mean the war has to be lost. If Cameron gains power, he claims he will be able to negotiate a change in our membership terms. He is not saying how he will manage make the other 26 nations agree to do this. So he is making the same idiotic presentational mistake as he did over his claims to hold a Lisbon referendum.

Any real negotiation with the EU must conform to the fundamental of all negotiations - the UK must either give the EU something or take something away from the EU. We cannot give the EU anything it wants, by definition. Thus the only credible threat Cameron can make is to leave the EU unless he gets his way. He refuses to do this. Therefore his re-negotiation will fail. Do we really have to cycle through all this yet again? Is he thick, or is he a fraud?
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby JohnFSK » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:37 pm

He's not thick...
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby In2minds » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:54 pm

That opinion poll, – “if it is real”. I've met few people who want to keep Nulabour in power. But I've also met lots who wish to punish Cameron and the Tories for their referendum step-back. Tory HQ should do some serious thinking, it's not good enough to be 'not Nulabour', more effort is required.

But then Cameron, “heir to Blair”, is typical of all the parties, out of touch with the voter.
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby Declan » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:59 pm

Budgie,

Fraudster.
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby SandyRham » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:20 pm

Budgie, MEPs have made it clear that Britain will get nothing from 'negotiation' apart from a few more sinecures for the elite. There is only Out all else is self-delusion. Not least the delusion that the Queen can be Sovereign of a province.
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby rosie » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:27 pm

Where's Tap. :lol:
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby Derek W Buxton » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:02 pm

Thick or a fraudster? I am not sure but most certainly he is one or the other. I keep trying to point out on ConHome that he cannot re-negotiate but it is amazing how many of the deluded are out there. Hague I think is definitely a fraudster, he knows what is going on in the EU and must be aware of the finality of it. PDT_Armataz_01_19
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby roadrunner » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:46 pm

Anthony wells commenting on the mori poll says 6% are no longer prepared to vote Tory ,this can only be because of Camerons decision not to act on Europe put the pressure on. http://www.ukip.org/petition/Referendum-on-the-EU
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Re: It's only a poll

Postby dhboater » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:52 pm

RAENORTH wrote:
Pericles wrote:Britain could face a hung parliament. PDT_Armataz_01_37 PDT_Armataz_01_37 PDT_Armataz_01_37

Yes please, I'll bring the hemp, or would you prefer a supply of piano wire?

Yes, yes, I know the word is "hanged", but I can day dream.


Hunged, drawed and quartered?


We are rather vicious aren't we.But,please,please,can I drive the first tumbrel?
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