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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:38 pm 
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The nonentity stakes

As the media wakes up to the "drama" of the selection of the EU president, the usual ladles of hyperbole are being deployed, with The Daily Mail reporting the "chaos" as the member state leaders "struggle" to agree on a candidate. [i]The Guardian on the other hand is working up its stock of pugilistic metaphors, as it headlines: "Gloves off as EU presidency enters final round", but this itself is a not-so-subtle dig at the media, who seem to be turning the process into a vast circus.

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Another battle

The BBC and others are reporting on the increasingly fraught negotiations in the EU over the selection of a European Council president. Word was that he was supposed to be chosen over a working dinner to be held on Thursday, in the lead-up to the formal European Council meeting. However, we are now being told that the member state leaders cannot agree on a candidate, and that the negotiations might extend into the next day, or even beyond.

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 Post subject: Re: Another battle
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The other problem they have, which Sarko etc may just be realising, is that whoever they choose will be more important than Sarko etc are and they will have to play second fiddle to them. So it's no good say Sarko shoehorning in a Frog, or Merkel a Kraut, or even some tame Belge, they will all have to stand aside, to whoever the great person is. I don't think Sarko's ego could stand that.....

Also it won't be too long before we have to give up our Security Council seat, as will France......that may wake up a large amount of our sleeping voters. It might well happen just as the Green Tosser walks into No10.....which will be fun watching him explain, why it is such a good idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Another battle
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:51 pm 
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Is it true that from Dec 2009, HM Queen will not be the head of state of the UK?

Now if this is true, she will be in the unusual position of being the head of state of Canada, Australia and NewZealand, but not of the UK.

Is such a situation possible, that our Queen is the head of state of foreign countries but not her own realm?

Would appreciate your view.


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 Post subject: Re: Another battle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:12 am 
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Is it true that from Dec 2009, HM Queen will not be the head of state of the UK?

Now if this is true, she will be in the unusual position of being the head of state of Canada, Australia and NewZealand, but not of the UK.

Is such a situation possible, that our Queen is the head of state of foreign countries but not her own realm?

Would appreciate your view.


The Queen remains head of state ... the prime minister keeps his title. That is not the way the EU works. It leaves the trappings in place, but hollows the substance from them.

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RAENORTH wrote:
DP111 wrote:
RAENORTH

Is it true that from Dec 2009, HM Queen will not be the head of state of the UK?

Now if this is true, she will be in the unusual position of being the head of state of Canada, Australia and NewZealand, but not of the UK.

Is such a situation possible, that our Queen is the head of state of foreign countries but not her own realm?

Would appreciate your view.


The Queen remains head of state ... the prime minister keeps his title. That is not the way the EU works. It leaves the trappings in place, but hollows the substance from them.


So it would be fair to say that de jure she is but de facto she no longer is?


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The Queen may overruled in her land so we are no longer a Sovereign Nation. She cannot be Head of State when Britain is a province.

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 Post subject: Re: Another battle
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So it would be fair to say that de jure she is but de facto she no longer is?


The substance, de facto and de jure, have both been taken by the EU. In Disney physics a character can run off the edge of a cliff and keep running forward in mid-air. They won't drop down until they realise they have run over the edge and nothing is supporting them under their feet. It's like that. Until society realises "the emperor has no clothes" our Queen will carry on being treated as our Head of State. If you don't consider the Queen to be your Head of State after December 1st she isn't, but you're still paying her to act that role. If you do, she still is.

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 Post subject: Re: Another battle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:20 pm 
<i>So it would be fair to say that de jure she is but de facto she no longer is?</i>

How can a sovereign be no longer sovereign in her own realm but still a sovereign of foreign countries?

Interesting. Will it give Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the right to restore their monarch to her proper place in the UK by whatever means necessary?


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Or should Canada, Aussie and NZ share her official residence while the Royal Family waits for Britain to smell the coffee?

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The Queen may overruled in her land so we are no longer a Sovereign Nation. She cannot be Head of State when Britain is a province.


So, she's "head of province". And we will have a provincial prime minister ... a sort of chief executive of a small offshore subsidiary company. He still gets is office and the title ... and the company car ... but he gets his instructions from head office.

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 Post subject: Re: The nonentity stakes / Another battle
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I thought Van Rompuy disqualified himself from the job by supporting EU-wide taxation...


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 Post subject: Re: The nonentity stakes / Another battle
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I thought Van Rompuy disqualified himself from the job by supporting EU-wide taxation...


That is very much a commission agenda ... one of the giveaway clues that suggests he is a commission man.

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 Post subject: Re: The nonentity stakes / Another battle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:30 pm 
<i>they have personalities as close to those of a discarded cod as it is possible to be, and still be breathing (and in the case of Her Ladyship, looks to match)</i>

Then according to the EU's CFP, they should be thrown back.


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On the BBC website, their story is right next to one about Mammoth dung.

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 Post subject: Re: The nonentity stakes / Another battle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:11 pm 
Nulabour has always lived in dreamland and misunderstood its own role and the role of the UK in the EU, the bridesmaid and never the bride etc. Blair being dumped for a Belgian proves the UK counts for nothing, the Lady Wossername job just underlines this.

There will be much anger, so will this point in time mark the end of the EU-Nulabour love in? And what will Lord Peter do?


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