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 Post subject: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:31 pm 
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Tony Blair's chances of becoming the EU's first president were fading tonight, says The Times, as opposition to the move grew across Europe and France and Germany failed to throw their weight behind him. Much as we would like it to happen, as it would give a "face" to our vassal status under the <s>constitutional</s> Lisbon treaty, the thought of that leering visage representing "Europe" is proving too much for the "colleagues".

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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:11 pm 
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It is been reported tonight that EU leaders have given the Czech president a UK-style opt-out that he demanded in return for signing the Lisbon Treaty.

However, it should be noted that Gordon Brown dose not have full powers to agree to the Czech Republic opt-out, as he is only our Prime Minister and not the STATE.

As the UK Parliament ratified the Treaty with the Czech Republic opted-in, then the change has to be agreed to by our Parliament first.

United Nations Convention on the Law of Treaties.....Article 17 - Consent to be bound by part of a treaty and choice of differing provisions

1. Without prejudice to articles 19 to 23, the consent of a State to be bound by part of a treaty is effective only if the treaty so permits or the other contracting States so agree.

2. The consent of a State to be bound by a treaty which permits a choice between differing provisions is effective only if it is made clear to which of the provisions the consent relates.


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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:23 am 
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Anoneumouse wrote:
However, it should be noted that Gordon Brown dose not have full powers to agree to the Czech Republic opt-out, as he is only our Prime Minister and not the STATE.

As the UK Parliament ratified the Treaty with the Czech Republic opted-in, then the change has to be agreed to by our Parliament first.


Ponsonby Rule ... no problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponsonby_Rule

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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
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I feel a tad less ill...but only that.

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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:56 am 
Ponsonby Rule:
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From the late 19th century it became the common practice to present the treaties of the United Kingdom to Parliament after they had come into force.

On 1 April 1924, during the Second Reading Debate on the Treaty of Peace (Turkey) Bill, Mr Arthur Ponsonby (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs in Ramsay MacDonald's first Labour Government) made the following statement:
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It is the intention of His Majesty's Government to lay on the table of both Houses of Parliament every treaty, when signed, for a period of 21 days, after which the treaty will be ratified and published and circulated in the Treaty Series. In the case of important treaties, the Government will, of course, take an opportunity of submitting them to the House for discussion within this period. But, as the Government cannot take upon itself to decide what may be considered important or unimportant, if there is a formal demand for discussion forwarded through the usual channels from the Opposition or any other party, time will be found for the discussion of the Treaty in question.
At the same time he stated that:
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Resolutions expressing Parliamentary approval of every Treaty before ratification would be a very cumbersome form of procedure and would burden the House with a lot of unnecessary business. The absence of disapproval may be accepted as sanction, and publicity and opportunity for discussion and criticism are the really material and valuable elements which henceforth will be introduced.
The Ponsonby Rule was withdrawn during the subsequent Baldwin Government, but was reinstated in 1929 and gradually hardened into a practice observed by all successive Governments.

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...time will be found for discussion...

The absence of disapproval may be accepted as sanction....

But like all lawyer sh*t, it doesn't say what happens when there is disapproval.

Is that what you mean by "no problem"? That slimy snot gobbler can just do what the hell he pleases, regardless?


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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
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permanentexpat wrote:
I feel a tad less ill...but only that.


I can make you feel more ill by giving you the link to the press conference of the EU "leaders'" [as our Swedish PM is in the habit of calling the heads of gov't]: European Council

Lots and lots of hot air - in all possible senses. Some points to note, and definitely something for President Klaus to ponder:

A decision to add the Czech Republic to Protocol 30 has been made. However, at the same time a guarantee has been made that this does not have any "legal impact into neighbouring countries" (read Hungary, Germany, Austria). Also, the Czech Republic will only be added to the protocol after the Lisbon treaty has come into force.

The point about "legal impact" is of course clear as mud. The fact that the treaty has to be ratified first means that the Czechs will only be added to the protocol later at some unspecified date in conjunction with an IGC (as Mr Reinfeld noted in response to a question).


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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:07 am 

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As far as I understand the Parliament may say no to giving the Czech Republic an opt-out, but this will not affect the ratification of the Lisbon treaty, since by then all the member states have signed the treaty. PDT_Armataz_01_32


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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:40 am 
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John Archer wrote:
... The absence of disapproval may be accepted as sanction....

But like all lawyer sh*t, it doesn't say what happens when there is disapproval.


It will be sneaked on the Order Paper on a busy business day, when attention is elsewhere - an announcement will be made in the House packed with pre-warned Labour luvvies, who will all shout "Aye", very loadly to the motion to proceed with the next order of business, whereupon there will be deemed to be no disapproval. The Tories will be mysteriously absent, and there will thus be no call for a debate ... a vote on which they would lose anyway, so they are not going to rock the boat.

Does that answer your question?

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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:51 am 
Time for Britain toreverse it's traditional position of:

a) Fighting the French or
b) Saving the French from the Germans.

Now, we should take option C:

C) Ignore the continent and go our own way.


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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:59 am 
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Robert of Ottawa wrote:
Time for Britain toreverse it's traditional position of:

a) Fighting the French or
b) Saving the French from the Germans.

Now, we should take option C:

C) Ignore the continent and go our own way.


What about "Plan D"? The one we used on 6 June 1944.

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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
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I'm for plan C. The French and Club Med will bleed the Germans dry and the euro will creak. The bastards will try and fix Sterling and the Swedish Krona to the euro, just to make sure that when it fails everyone is fqd.
When the money runs out soft socialism collapses and a surge to the 'right-wing' is likely.

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 Post subject: Re: There's a surprise!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:15 pm 
hail the pison dwarf iam mr boring did you no that i have spoken putin and vice PM of china and wrote most of the mascritt treaty emporer.

sorry for the spelling


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lordslavemaster wrote:
hail the pison dwarf iam mr boring did you no that i have spoken putin and vice PM of china and wrote most of the mascritt treaty emporer.

sorry for the spelling


You are Jose Manuel Barroso in disguise. I claim my five pounds.

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 Post subject: There's a surprise!
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Although the holders of these 2 new super-EU leader positions are limited to 2 successive terms each (as I understand it), I wonder if there are any restrictions on the 2 winners (whoever they are) alternating with each other Putin-style until death mercifully rescues the various peoples of Europe from these 2 malefactors' tyrannies? Any one know?

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