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 Post subject: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:21 pm 
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There is an interesting analysis by Jeremy Page in The Times, on the Kabul attack on the UN hostel. Page thinks the Haqqani Network is the most likely culprit, and the operation certainly seems to have their fingerprints. This, of course, is the organisation based in Miranshah, in North Waziristan, slated as "good Taleban" by the Pakistanis (a ridiculous description), meaning that their efforts are focused on Afghanistan rather than on creating mayhem in Pakistan.

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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:34 pm 
Quite a few Pakistanis are sympathetic to the Taleban. This must also be the case for Pakistanis in the UK. The same applies to Afghans living in the UK. Assuming just 10% of the million strong Pakistani and Afghan population in the UK as pro-Taleban, we have 100,000 British Talebans. Ummm. Not a nice thought.

Ignoring for the moment who created this problem for Britain, the question is how do we winkle them out asap, as the problem is getting bigger by the day, even without the collapse of Pakistan, and the resulting mass asylum seekers from there.


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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:44 pm 

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Here we go again - The Pakistanis are not really serious because they are not putting 300,000 to 400,000 troops into the fight.

Rubbish.


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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:43 am 
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davod wrote:
Here we go again - The Pakistanis are not really serious because they are not putting 300,000 to 400,000 troops into the fight.

Rubbish.


Please try to avoid dogmatic declamations. The Pakistanis are "not serious" because their rhetoric does not match their commitment. To achieve what they say they are setting out to achieve would take considerably more troops than the 28,000 they have committed, of which only 11,000 (or thereabouts) are effectives. The Pakistani Army is 700,000-strong, and they have another 500,000 reserves to call upon. Given the huge task they have set themselves (nominally), their commitment is extremely modest. Further, by launching the operation so late in the season, it is almost certain that even the territorial objectives are unachievable. With the coming snows, ground operations will halt and the tribesmen will be able either to evade capture and disperse, or regroup and mount asymmetric attacks. For those reasons, the operation is seen to be "cosmetic".

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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
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Watching a news program on RT ( Russian Television) there was an interview with a American Diplomat who had spent some years in Afghanistan and Pakistan, his observations included, both countries live in the 14th century, 90% are illiterate, a female comes out of her house 2 times in her life, once to get married to her cousin, and the second time when she dies, both countries live by a clan system and there is nothing to bind them to there country but the passport when they leave to go live amidst there cousins in a Muslim enclave. He said that there is no solutions to the present conflict, the Russians had 10 times the troops in Afghanistan ( and no MSM) and could not stop anything (tribal conflicts, drugs, ignorance, etc.,) America should play by Afghan rules or get out, but before getting out air spray the country and get rid of the worlds largest drug dealer.

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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:35 am 
This is what I've been writing for the last month. The Russians had plenty more troops in Afghanistan. They also did not operate a PC war - quite the opposite in fact. Yet their operation was a failure. It was a failure as the USSR, and now us, had the arrogance to think that we can impose our culture of democracy, or in the Russdiian case, Marxism-socialism, on a people who regard both as perversions of the will of Allah.

Now the lesson our Leftists have to learn is that their alliance with Islamists to destroy with western civilisation from within, and then hope to tame the Islamic Jihad within the West later, will fail. If the Russians with all their unrestricted use of power failed, they have no hope.

If we really wish to please Afghans though, we should supply them with guns, then seal the borders of the country.


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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:39 am 
"...Now the lesson our Leftists have to learn is that their alliance with Islamists to destroy with western civilisation from within, and then hope to tame the Islamic Jihad within the West later, will fail...."

No. The Leftists dont care about afterwards. The destruction of the West is the end of history for them.


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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:26 pm 

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No. The Leftists dont care about afterwards. The destruction of the West is the end of history for them.


I often wonder that?


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 Post subject: Re: On the streets of England?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:27 am 
Daffersd wrote:
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No. The Leftists dont care about afterwards. The destruction of the West is the end of history for them.


I often wonder that?


Amendment noted and accepted.

PS: Did you hear the one where our esteemed PM Brown demanded that Somalis pirates( Somalis pirates I tell you) , "should abide by international law". I almost fell off my chair in paroxyms of laughter. Even a Monty python sketch would shrink from such inanity.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... yacht.html


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