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 Post subject: The limits of power / Does anything change?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:07 pm 
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"The war to end Pakistan's woes?" is the offering from Mustafa Qadri, one of the many commentaries on the current Pakistani expedition into South Waziristan. "Still the question remains, once the guns have been silenced will Pakistan take steps to cleanse the tribal areas of the extremist poison?" Qadri asks. In so doing, he posits a suggestion that has become current, that the Pakistan government should move in, one and for all, take control of the tribal regions and fully integrate them with the rest of the country.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:52 am 
Can't help noticing that the Westland Wapiti in your photograph has a swastika painted on the front.

Should make Nick Griffin very happy!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:48 am 
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Major Bonkers wrote:
Can't help noticing that the Westland Wapiti in your photograph has a swastika painted on the front.

Should make Nick Griffin very happy!


I think that's the DH-9. It was then regarded as a good luck charm, popular with aviators at the time ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_us ... th_century

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:18 am 
Major Bonkers wrote:
Can't help noticing that the Westland Wapiti in your photograph has a swastika painted on the front.

Should make Nick Griffin very happy!

The Swastika,is a very ancient Indian symbol,it goes back thousands of years,It has something to do with Astrology.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:38 am 
You often find swastikas used as cover decorations on pre-war editions of Kipling's works. The Finnish airforce also used a blue swastika as a recognition symbol on their aircraft.

Perhaps Mr. Griffin has found a new photograph for his posters; the last one showed a Spitfire that was subsequently identified as belonging to (Polish) squadron 303; who, incidentally, had the highest 'kill' rate during the Battle of Britain.


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Major Bonkers wrote:
You often find swastikas used as cover decorations on pre-war editions of Kipling's works. The Finnish airforce also used a blue swastika as a recognition symbol on their aircraft.

Perhaps Mr. Griffin has found a new photograph for his posters; the last one showed a Spitfire that was subsequently identified as belonging to (Polish) squadron 303; who, incidentally, had the highest 'kill' rate during the Battle of Britain.


Griffin's use of the Spitfire from No. 303 Squadron reflects the rather low-grade intellectual capabilities of his party. As I recall, the photograph used was a Mk V, which was not issued to squadrons until early 1942, well after the Battle of Britain, which Griffin sought to evoke. More generally, it demonstrates the poor understanding of history, which is unfortunately a wider malaise, to which this piece draws attention.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:55 am 
Talking of which, I've finally put my finger on (what I believe is) the earliest use of the present military/ poltical cliche, 'blood and treasure'. It comes from General Gage, who, having returned to Boston from leave in the UK, found the natives itching for a fight. In October 1774, just before the Battle of Lexington, he wrote frantically to London to warn of the deteriorating situation: "The whole country is in arms and in motion [...] If you think ten thousand men sufficient, send twenty; if one million is thought enough, give two; you save both blood and treasure in the end." (from Harvey, R. (2001) A Few Bloody Noses. John Murray, London. p.124).

That war, of course, also involved a modern, well-trained army, supporting an unpopular government, fighting irregular guerillas.


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That war, of course, also involved a modern, well-trained army, supporting an unpopular government, fighting irregular guerillas.

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That war, of course, also involved a modern, well-trained army, supporting an unpopular government, fighting irregular guerillas.

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On the other hand ... Winston Churchill again (1901)

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The "Full steam ahead" would be undoubtedly the most desirable. This is the military view. Mobilise, it is urged, a nice field force, and operate at leisure in the frontier valleys, until they are as safe and civilised as Hyde Park. Nor need this course necessarily involve the extermination of the inhabitants. Military rule is the rule best suited to the character and comprehension of the tribesmen. They will soon recognise the futility of resistance, and will gradually welcome the increase of wealth and comfort that will follow a stable government. Besides this, we shall obtain a definite frontier almost immediately. Only one real objection has been raised against this plan. But it is a crushing one, and it constitutes the most serious argument against the whole "Forward Policy". It is this: we have neither the troops nor the money to carry it out.

The inevitable alternative is the present system, a system which the war has interrupted, but to which we must return at its close, a system of graduated advance, of political intrigue among the tribes, of subsidies and small expeditions.

Though this policy is slow, painful and somewhat undignified, there is no reason that it should not be sure and strong. But it must be consistently pursued. Dynamite in the hands of a child is not more dangerous than a strong policy weakly carried out. The reproach which may be justly laid upon the rulers of India, whether at home or abroad, is that while they recognise the facts, they shrink from the legitimate conclusions.

They know that they cannot turn back. They fully intend to go on. Yet they fear to admit to the situation, to frankly lay their case before the country, and trust to the good sense and courage of an ancient democracy. ...

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Similar to Julius Caesar dealing with the stroppy tribes of Gaul??

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Similar to Julius Caesar dealing with the stroppy tribes of Gaul??


And so we have Julius Petraeus, and his faithful servant McChrystal, demanding more legionnaires for the frontier, insisting that Rome raids the treasury and pours out the gold ... t'was ever thus.

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Rubicon ~~ Potomac??
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Rubicon ~~ Potomac??
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Now, it is a virtual rather than physical line. I suppose McChrystal crossed it when he spoke in London ... Dannatt when he gave his 2006 interview to the Mail.

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