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 Post subject: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:39 pm 
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I suppose that, if we heard tales from Afghanistan of officials bursting into a family home accompanied by armed police, abducting the children and taking them in front of a bent judge for a rigged hearing, then to send the children for adoption, their natural parents prohibited ever from seeing them again, no doubt the human rights/feminist lobby would be in full flow, waxing indignant about the standards of justice in these third world countries.

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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:38 pm 
Indeed Im waiting for the day Chainsaw at the ready They wont know whats hit them


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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:04 pm 

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The judges were fiercely critical. The social workers' conduct, said Lord Justice Thorpe, could only reinforce the suspicions of those who believe "councils have a secret agenda to establish a high score of children they have placed for adoption".

This is what I find so hard to fathom. Level that charge at them and they will deny it, yet we must judge them by their actions. They are chasing points and they are taking children away from families it is easy to take children from and would be easy to adopt, and consequently having too little interest in rehoming children who are genuinely at risk - like the case of Peter Connelly. Let's also not forget that these are the combined actions of individuals as well as a perverse system.

Councils are given more brownie points if they get more children adopted. You're not going to successfully adopt troubled youths in large numbers so the gaming of the system is to convolute a charge against a reasonably and decent family (who will more often than not stay within the system to try and rectify the abhorent abuse against them as any attempts to circumvent the system, say to leave the country, is taken by the family courts as a sign the specious charge was valid), take a well adjusted child or children off them and get them adopted. It is crackers. It is surely also criminal. The centralised Government target chasing mentality has incentivised child abuse at both ends of the scale - abusing children not at risk by stealing them from their parents and leaving children who are at risk with parents who the social workers know are not fit to be looking after their offspring.


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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:19 pm 
The first commentator on the the Telegraph's page mention the phrase 'leading beyond authority'. I have no doubt that Common Purpose, a cancerous, marxist, indoctrinating organisation, has a hand in these goings-on.


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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:30 pm 
Quote - “And that barrister who was involved in both cases is now – a family court judge”.

Crap policemen are promoted too, only in the public 'services' is idiocy rewarded!


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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:40 pm 
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Quote - “And that barrister who was involved in both cases is now – a family court judge”.

Crap policemen are promoted too, only in the public 'services' is idiocy rewarded!


No so much rewarded ... it seems to me that it is a necessary qualification.

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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:00 pm 
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Everything about this case is bizarre, not least the apparent complicity of social workers, lawyers and the courts in determining that the child should not be returned to her parents, as she wishes, but rather, after two years in foster care, sent for adoption.


It seems weird that the obvious decision to return her wasn't made. Social services could have checked up on her every week to see if the parent's claim was accurate. Since the girl's life was not in clear and present danger, and the main objection was living conditions, it's strange common-sense did not prevail.

I think the reason for rational thinking not being present in our social care system is because social services do not hire people on the basis that they can think rationally. They hire people who they think "care". A similar effect is happening in the Justice system. Those doing the hiring hire on non-rational criteria.

These criteria are: is the individual qualified, well-trained, experienced? You may think that hiring someone qualified, well-trained and experienced is important. Not if that individual is not trained in a pattern-recognition methodology or willing to use it.

The problem with pattern-recognition methodologies is they expose hatefacts about race and sex, whereas social workers must not treat white English middle class families any different to an South Asian immigrant one. There must not be seen to be more problems with latter than the former.

Putting the emphasis on "skilled individuals" rather than an effective thought process, which is what actually gets the job done by an intelligent individual, results in a corrupt and subjective decision-making process.

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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:22 am 
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Had it been me, I suspect, murder would now have been committed. If this continues, murder will be committed.


I hope not.

The parents are in a Catch 22. Show too much emotion in your desire to get your kids back and you prove that you are a bad parent. Show too little emotion and you prove that you are a bad parent.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:15 am 
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The parents are in a Catch 22. Show too much emotion in your desire to get your kids back and you prove that you are a bad parent. Show too little emotion and you prove that you are a bad parent.


1/10 troll. PDT_Armataz_01_02

They are no longer parenting. They are kidnap victims. What matters is whether there was any observable evidence that the child was ever abused while she was in her parent's care. If there was any initial confusion, it was soon very clear there was no observable evidence for that. The council should have apologised, and heads should have rolled. Instead the careers of certain heartless individuals are put above the life of a family and the needs of their child.

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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:51 am 
Hi,

may I take the liberty, since I have been involved in the case in question since the parents contacted me as a reasult of the first RSPCA raid of asking ANYONE who can help to study more of the details at:
http://StolenKids-SADS.blogspot.com

& if you have experienced similar problems or believe you can help OR you know of others in the same situation of being abused by The SS & The Family Courts do read:
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com
where you will find what we are trying to do as a self help organisation and will find many more links to other help.

Thanks for the opportunity to raise the profile and provide the links.

Regards,
Greg L-W.


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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:08 am 
Hi,

to conflate two earlier comments with much validity:

1. Crap Police are promoted .....

2. No doubt Common Purpose are involved .......

Despite the undeniable murder of Charles de Menenez the ill trained, incompetent, out of control, ill disciplined, incompetent and badly led murderer after his tax payer funded oversease holiday with his family has now returned to armed duty prepared to murder again!

No one was charged!

Further Ms. Common Purpose the fast streamed Cressida Dick, who was the senior officer responsible for this state execution without competence or evidence has since been twice promoted.

By the by Cressida Dick IS a Graduate of Common Purpose as shown by her name on their confidential web site which I hold a copy of! Quite handy having a senior insider providing information and codes every time they change them I guess!

I understand on good authority that we will never see a member of C10, C19, MoD Polioce or any other armed police unit on trial for not only their murders but any other fire arms crime such as false/accidental discharge. I understand their murders are well protected by the fact that ALL such officers carry weapons as volunteers but are in unwritten agreement to resign en mass if one of them is facing such a charge!

I trust this helps clarify.

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 Post subject: Re: The Taleban within
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:11 am 
Hi,

thanks again to the Sunday Telegraph and Booker in particular for their valued and well placed tennacity in this case.

It may interest some that despite Mr. Hendre (MP)'s involvement, that the case was brought to The PM's attention in PMQs several weeks ago and that I have known this couple ever since they first contacted me for help some 2 years ago - NO ONE seems able to obtain honest, straight, simple answers as to WHY was the child effectively kidnapped.

Are East Sussex SS and the Family Court, like the police, no longer answerable to either our elected politicians nor even our Prime Minister?

I was asked by another MP involved to take care NOT to upset the Courts and to refrain from drawing attention to the corruption of The EU 'As our best chance of cleaning up our corrupt system was via Europe'.

This an MP who draws a salary at Westminster wishes to use The Human Rights Courts
to 'clean up Britain' - was that not what MPs used to be paid for?
Further there is some bizarre belief that the corrupt and centralised EU might administer some sort of Justice!

Firstly the EU doesn't 'do' Justice - it doesn't even do Democracy - Note Ireland where they democratically voted against Lisbon as did France and Holland but they are being forced to vote again to get it right!

Yet the killings, intimidation, murders and vote rigging in Afghanistan is pronounced acceptable!

Do NOT look to The EU for Justice, save in its abuse!

May I also remind the MP in question that the European Courts of Human Rights are neither under the control of nor any part of the corrupt EU!

It may further horrify the reader that this morning the Mother in question phoned me to tell me that she was being denied her Court approved visitation.

One can only assume as an act of punishment for the publicity!

Told that her 7 year old who had NEVER refused to see them and who had been whispering please could she have their phone number at the last meeting - the little girl stolen from her parents without even trumpped up cause when she was only 5 at the last meeting said she didn't care if she was adopted as she would just run away and find her way home!

ALLEGEDLY so say the SS had declined to see her parents!!

Advised that there was a letter relevant The Father decided to visit the SS offices to collect the letter, only to find there was no letter but The Guardian, the SS, etc. etc. were all in a meeting when he was told they were not in the building - this he ascertained from the car number plates in the car park.

It does look as if East Sussex are only likely not to lie when in their coffins - may I submit it is time to bury this clearly corrupt organisation and release the children they have stolen - read the case of Legoman whom it seems East Sussex swore on a stack of bibles had deliberately broken his own childs leg, leading to all three of his children being taken prisoner by the SS - it transpires now, long after the event that when investigated by an INDEPENDENT DOCTOR his baby has a bone disease!

East Sussex is still hanging onto his children, no doubt having frantic meetings to dream up further cover stories.

The SS and the State would seem to be some of the worst parents and guardians on record - one need only consider the fact that so many seem to consider the buggery and rape of children in their care to be a perk of the job - read Waterhouse 'Lost In Care' The report of 'Kincorra Boys School' the abuses at QVS in Dunblane, New Labour's buddy on Hackney Council Mark trotter, Tony Blair's constituency agent (Trotter as head of children's services is now dead of AIDS having been sent to prison for servicing too many children!) (Blair's agent is in prison for the rape and sodomy of boys and girls in his care) - the list is long!

However consider TODAY - when 80% of the British born who are in prison were at some stage or throughout childhood in the care of Social Services and over 40% of under age prostitutes are currently in care!

Is it that in the gross cases such children with broken limbs, haunted looks, mal nourished and covered in cigarette burns are hard to place for adoption whilst pleasant cared for children are more easily and more profitably fitted in the quota?
Consider the couple in Plymouth who have had 6 cared for children stolen including from the delivery room - and despite some 90 hearings no reason has been clearly given yet the easier ones have been forced into adoption against the parents will and with no clear reason show!

The entire incident stems from asking for a second opinion before bone marrow tests were done on their eldest! It transpired that the Doctor was a regular witness for the SS and he took umbrage and took ALL the children into care and forced the child to have the test!!

She was found NOT to have any bone marrow defect, merely a condition the parents told him before hand which was familial!

They are still fighting for Justice for their children.

We try to provide self help at:

http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com but for us it is early days - one MP we deal with has almost 600 similar cases, of relatively different strength but it is rare that the SS and the courts acting in shameful secrecy prove the best solution.

It is time not just to draw back the curtain on this secrecy but to throw open the windows to let in fresh air and the light of truth to ALL SS and Family Court cases.

Only two thing outside of marriage require closed doors and secrecy and they are pornography and pederasty and what is happening with the Family Courts particularly as identified in East Sussex is both obscene and an abuse of children!

IF you need help just visit the blog!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
http://GregLanceWatkins.blogspot.com


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